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July 1, 2019
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Hello John and everyone inside the circle, 

 

Ok, I'm not complaining here I'm just looking for some frame of reference. I built my funnel doing everything right. (As far as I know) and... no sales thus far...

 

I have the MMM designed site looking sweet. I have the squeeze page doing pretty well, all of the blog posts in place, I'm following the Aweber email  template, content, delivery timing as directed. I have all of the sales pages, the offers, etc... I have tweaked the site, squeeze page and emails and the blog posts, on multiple occasions as I continue to fine tune everything. I am closely studying the monthly modules in here. There is a lot to learn and I'm trying my best to apply it. 

 

I started Facebook ads two weeks ago. The first week was using dynamic creative to find the clear winners, image, text etc...That was at $30.00 a day for 7 days. I then made my "winning" ad and, after turning off a $1.64 per subscriber ad off, I have seen about $1.51 per subscriber at $20.00 a day for the last 5 days. Not super great but not bad either. 

 

I will say that I turned off the Aweber opt in confirmation as 20 early subscribers never confirmed. It's all theory until you are spending, at the point, $4.00 per non confirmed subscriber. 

 

So I have had 125 subscribers in 14 days. (about 20 haven't confirmed) I have spent $350.00 at this point and have Zero sales conversions. 

 

John, you had said that 4%-6% sales per subscriber was normal and that you, personally, had been running 14% as of the monthly module about copy writing. 

 

I don't want top pull the plug on the $20.00 per day ad as it has about 100 fb likes attached to it and lots of great comments. On the other hand, I also cant continue to pump $20.00 a day into this without at very least breaking even, after expenses. I could, however, drop down to $10.00 a day with a brand new ad. 

 

You might be thinking that the music might not be that great. The album that I'm featuring has retrieved absolutely amazing feedback form tons of people. It's been reviewed on a national level. I have sold about 150 CD's in person. It's been well received.

 

I do have a bit of a brand inconstancy with my earlier work, the up sells. I am an instrumental guitarist, as is my new album but my previous work has vocals and a different but not so different genre. One of my previous projects is 50% me 50% someone else. I have even made a blog post to elaborate about that work. We are still playing some shows and that is documented. 

 

It might be that I am marketing guitar fans who are probably novice guitar players and they may simply not buy into a new guy on the scene. It might be harder to market potential musicians than it would be to market clearly non musicians... 

 

Is this, zero sales in two weeks,  a "normal" thing?

 

I could continue to keep tweaking but the current $1.51 per subscriber is workable. That's probably the #1 statistic to all of this minus, off course, sales. 

 

Thoughts, suggestions? 

 

thanks!

 

Drew

July 2, 2019
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Hi Drew,

I get asked questions like this a fair amount and it's always very difficult to answer from the other side of a forum post or email. there are so many variables and each one offers the potential for something to be off. It could be targeting, it could be your copy (it could be both combined), it could be something technical, it could be that you haven't given things long enough, it could be that you are already giving music away for free on Spotify, and it could always be the music. It's really hard to guess without spending a good hour sorting through all of your stats.

But the super simple answer is that when subscribers are coming in but no one is buying, I start by looking at my open and click through rates on the email campaign and see if I can spot an engagement problem.

If everything looks good, I often survey my list. This lesson goes over that: https://www.mmmanifesto.com/in.....your-fans/

On the surface of it, if you are marketing to musicians then I think that could be part of the problem. If you are a guitar virtuoso, then you'd likely have more luck marketing to people who are fans of other guitar virtuoso of a similar vein.

But you also want to make sure everyone on your list has completed your funnel before coming to any conclusions. Most sales will happen during the LTO at the end of the funnel. With only 125 subscribers (which is a statistically small group to begin with) you may find that very few have completed the funnel. Those open and CTR rates on the campaign should tell you a lot more.

Hope that helps.

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July 16, 2019
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Hi John, 

 

I started ads on June 16th, exactly one month ago. I have spent a lot. 30 days at $30 a day for the first 7 days (dynamic creative) $20 a day for maybe 9 days and $10 a day since. With all of that,  no income. ZERO SALES. ZERO...

 

 I went back to the drawing board a bit. I re worked my squeeze page and tweaked the emails. I reworked the blogs. I even sought out a pro blogger, that I know, although I haven't yet engaged that option quite yet. I changed the free track to a different one. 

 

here are some stats. 

 

-I am getting subscribers for $1.21 a piece for the last 12 days. (I lowered my budget to $10.00 a day a few weeks ago) So that's working... 

- I now have 333 subscribers. Started with about 100. Have had maybe 25 or so unsubscribe in a month. 

- I am getting positive emails and comments. ( A few nasty ones as well but, whatever.)

- I've gained like 50 Facebook page likes or so. 

- 62% open rate first email, 55% clicked

-38% open rate second email, 15% clicked

-30% open rate third email, 5% clicked

-30% open rate fourth email, 1% clicked 

-17% open rate 5th email, 4% clicked

-33 % open rate 6th email, 15% clicked

-29% open rate 7th email 4% clicked 

-32% open rate 8th email, 0% clicked

-24% open rate ninth email, 6% clicked 

 

I'm at a loss. I don't want to stop doing this. I can totally see the long term benefits.  I'm seeing results in all things except $$. I'm playing gigs just to keep money in my business account to pay for this, to keep it going. I am not planning on quitting but need to at very least break even. Maybe recoup the start up costs etc...

Note... none of this stuff is streaming anywhere. It's only available on my websites and the 2 older albums (not streaming) on C.D. Baby. The new record is exclusively sold on my site(s). 

I know that the music doesn't suck. I just got my album reviewed ( great review) yesterday by an F.M. radio station that reaches half of the state.  (new blog post with album reviews on the site.)

Any insight or thoughts in general would be greatly appreciated. 

My site is      drewbentleysongs.com (funnel)

squeeze page    https://drewbentleysongs.com/free-track/ 

artist site is drewbentley.com 

thanks, 

Drew

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Hi Drew,

Sorry to hear you haven't seen any sales yet. First thing you want to do is run a search to see how many of your ACTIVE subscribers have finished the actual funnel. I do this by applying a tag once people have finished the funnel and search for active subscribers that have that tag. But you can also do it by searching by date. Often I get messages like this only to find that 60% of the subs are still within the funnel. 

Another problematic stat that you've listed is that the open rate on the first email is only 62%. That is too low and needs to be looked at. Do you have confirmed opt in on or off? If off, I would try switching to on, and reset your email stats at that time. You can do this by cloning the emails and deleting the old ones or just creating a new campaign and swapping out your triggers on the opt in forms.

At the end of the day, if people are signing up but not buying then something isn't grabbing them within the funnel. It could be the music, it could be the content, or it could be that the targeting isn't quite right and you are attracting the wrong prospects. Often it is really hard to know.

I recommend surveying your list (but only after everyone has completed the funnel). Here is a lesson on how to do that: https://www.mmmanifesto.com/in.....your-fans/

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August 9, 2019
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Hi Drew,

I have been watching your thread... as WE are in the same boat looking for help although we have had some sales. 

My 2 cents... Also I have not been through your funnel-- so this is as far as I got AND it was the first thing I noticed right away when I saw the SQ page and I'm probably a stickler. Does it helps with sales? NO. Will it help with more subs maybe?

1)Squeeze page quotes are too much and not formatted - per the course... so they all fit nice and compact next to the pic.

Maybe trim them down to entice curiosity, Example instead of the whole quote maybe...

"Great tones, engaging tunes, and of course, stellar playing". - Mitch Gallagher - Sweetwater Music

Its just a lot to read. And if you shorten them you can add some more compact bullet point style per say.

then the whole SQ page tightens up nice and to the point.

Again my 2 cents. hope it helps. 

But, like i said I'm in the same boat so maybe I'm the last person that should be chiming in.

But I will follow along to the thread and hopefully gain some insight. 

All the best,

Mark

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Thanks for chiming in Mark! Always great to get additional perspective and all valid points.

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Not sure if this will help because its an older question. The poster may not be here anymore. But maybe a consideration for others.

If the first sentence has an error, I’m out!

Its “you’re” not “your”. I would not use ‘re unless that speaks to your brand. Instead use “you are”.

I would also be careful of what picture is the face of your brand. It should match the music, be of high quality. IMO a smiling headshot is not very original or memorable. But if it works great!

 

Hope that helps someone...

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Good pointabout grammar. 

However, 9 times out of 10 a smiling straight-forward photo will out perform the cool brooding one. People just respond subconsciously to likable, happy people, that are not demonstrating ego. But of course there are many exceptions and it has a lot to do with the USP.

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Ya probably. I just don’t see musicians smiling when they get their photos taken, especially rock guys. Its just never been like that. Im not sure why this is. I used to buy records cause they looked cool not cause they had huge smiles. Doesn’t work for punk crowd. 

And we live in a world of emoticons and if you don’t use them you hurt peoples feeling lol

Wouldn't want to do that! I miss the real world...

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There is a lot of stuff that is done traditionally that is done for no other reason than it's what everyone else does. It's true that most musicians (especially rock musicians) want to broadcast a more serious too cool for school kind of image. But the reality is that smiling faces out perform those images 9 out of 10 times. 

Same is true for a squeeze page. Ask 100 people if they like my plain squeeze page better than the latest tricked out site from shoppify or bandzoogle. They will almost all pick the fancier site. But then look at the tracking and you'll see that mine out performs theirs almost every time.

That's the whole thing about direct response marketing. We let the numbers guide us more than anything. That doesn't mean we should do things that violate our USP or our artistic integrity just because of numbers, but so long as those things are in check, then the numbers will tell us which path to take. And smiling images, and up beat energy almost always work best.

It's funny... not that this proves anything, but I just googled "rock bands 2020" and "Rock bands 1990" and got a much higher proportion of smiling images in 2020. 

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Very interesting thanks. I fortunately have a few smiling one but personally didn’t think it fit. But it probably does rank higher. Ill definitely try it. Thanks

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It's always worth adding one to the mix. It doesn't mean you absolutely need one. But it's one of those rules that I often repeat: "smiling faces tend to work best".

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