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April 24, 2013
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Hey John,
 
I've had some really positive things happen getting How to Meditate with Music off the ground
 
I did this article for mind body green: http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0.....yours.html
 
 
I've made a few early sales and a friend in the digital space invited me to Montana to speak at a digital business seminar about starting my company, Pop Go Zen.
 
But one of the biggest challenges I'm looking at right now is the issue of a marketing budget. This looks to be a very slow and laborious process without any muscle behind it which is something I hadn't taken into account until I completed content and set up and turned my attention towards marketing. Based on your experience, could you make some recommends on a realistic budget for the next 3-6 months to drive traffic as well as social media marketing/promoting and how you would recommend allocating that budget. 
 
Many thanks John!
 
Julianna 

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Hey Julianna,

Congrats on your early success. With all the discussion we've had over the last year, I'm VERY glad to hear that things went well with the initial launch.

To be honest, I never really invested anything in my initial marketing. My first successful online business was fueled 100% by SEO and organic traffic generation like article marketing. I did an initial JV push to get the first few sales in, make some money, and prove the concept, but after that it was all free traffic. I did pay for many of the backlinks and I paid commissions to the JVs, but costs were dwarfed by earnings and I always had earnings to reinvest so nothing was actually coming out of pocket.

With info businesses like MMM I always start of with a JV launch for the same reasons and then move on to paid advertising. But the objective needs to be to create a funnel that is profitable. Spend $1000 to make $2000. It may require a little tweaking to get the funnel where it needs to be, but assuming you do, there is no need for a significant outlay of funds. You should be able to just keep rolling a percentage of profits back into the business. If your offer has a recurring element or you are promoting other products down the line, income should really start to snowball as your list grows.

I just got an info business off the ground for a client and it was a $500 product. We invested $3000 (which was a lot more than usual) to test the product with a beta launch and see how it would do with just Facebook advertising as a source. We generated 1000 subscribers and brought in almost 7 grand. We got our money back and now have money for the next launch and some to spare. So theoretically we could do it again and the whole thing would be profit. As the list grows the subscriber value will only increase because we will inevitably introduce other products to the list.

Long story short, it's a good idea to have a little money to get things rolling (maybe $1000 or so, and even that isn't required) but you shouldn't need some long term commitment of funds out of pocket. If your initial tests don't create positive ROI then you need to tweak your funnel until they do.

Hope that helps.

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April 24, 2013
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could you please break down the $3000 budget for beta testing his product? How much was your fee and how much was spent on advertising, etc.? Also, could you explain what kind of tweaks were made along the way and how those adjustments affected sales? Was there anything unique about how subscribers opted in and purchased or were they enticed by a freebie and led through a standard sales funnel?

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Sure thing. On this particular project I took a percentage of profit. There were three main partners so I took a third.

Aside from $150 or so on website design, all of the money was spent on FB ads. In this instance we were very profitable on the first try so no real tweaks were made, aside from ad management. This particular funnel consisted of a real time launch and the product was offered for a limited time and then came off the market. It's still off the market. Though we did follow up about a month later and offered a scaled down version of the product with no live elements for half off and brought in another 20% or so.

It was a pretty standard funnel. Free video lesson for opt in, followed by a free lesson and then a webinar. Then the product went live for 5 days. We are working up the evergreen version of the funnel now with a different scarcity trigger.

Hope that helps.

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I'd like to do a fb ad campaign promoting a free live webinar on how to meditate with music. I'd like to have between 100-200 attendees. How far in advance of the live event do you recommend running the ads and do you have any idea how much a campaign like that would cost, assuming an average conversion rate?

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I'm planning to direct traffic straight to the registration page...

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Julianna Raye said
I'd like to do a fb ad campaign promoting a free live webinar on how to meditate with music. I'd like to have between 100-200 attendees. How far in advance of the live event do you recommend running the ads and do you have any idea how much a campaign like that would cost, assuming an average conversion rate?

Things can vary quite a lot depending on your targeting, but as a general rule, the sooner the webinar is following the time they signed up, the better you will do. If you want a minimum of 100 people to show up you'll probably want to get at least 400 people to register, just to be safe. A responsive list should attend at around 50%. Could be higher, could easily be lower. You will get a lot of people with the replay. Ideally you would start advertising only a week before the event so it was fresh in everyone's mind. But depending on your targeting there is a chance your traffic would slow down and you wouldn't be able to get 400 people in just a week. Though you very easily could. It just depends on unknown variables, budget, etc. So if you wanted to play it safe you could start two weeks in advance. You just want to weigh the benefit of recent exposure against your concerns about not being able to generate enough traffic in only a week.

Just make sure your registration page is an appealing offer all in it's own right.

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If I want 400 people to register how many click thrus would that generally mean I'd need to see from the ads? I realize every case is unique. Just talking averages to make sure I have the formula correct. Also, have you found there's an optimal time or day for live webinars? And do you have an example of an effective registration page? Thanks John!

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There really is too many variables to say. With Facebook ads I'd like to get at least a 20% conversion rate. So if that was the case I would need 2000 clicks to get 400 subs. If the conversion rate increased or dropped that would obviously change.

I like to do webinars around 4pm pacific, but ideally you could do 2 or 3 a day so people have options. When that is the case I usually do 9am, 2pm and 7pm pacific. But the habits of your market will ultimately dictate what is best. A simple one question survey to your list would likely give you the best answer. IE... I need your help... I'm holding a webinar next week and I want to know what time works best for you. Would you mind helping me out by taking 15 seconds to tell what time works best?" or something to that effect. I've seen people do them as early as 9am and as late as 10pm.

http://musicmarketingmanifesto.....ndiebible/ worked pretty well for me and got a 60% conversion rate for JV traffic. About 20% for FB ads. I think that a little more copy and really emphasizing why it would benefit the visitor would have helped me with FB ads traffic. I also think just a standard squeeze page would do the job.

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That's very helpful john thanks! I notice you have "your local time" how did you add that feature to your registration page? Also, do you think a video of me speaking into the camera would perform equally to just my voice and an image, the way you have it?

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also, do you hold them on a weekend or is that 4pm pst on a weekday?

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That "local time" feature is part of evergreen business system's options. That entire page was created with EVBS.

As for being on camera vs voice, I think it really depends on what you're doing and what you capture with the camera. I personally always feel like there is something a bit cheesy when I see people talking into camera about marketing, unless the quality of the filming is extremely pro, so I don't do it right now. But I think in other markets being on camera, even with just a web cam, could really help. I'd do it whatever way you are most comfortable first and see how your conversion rate is. Then you could try it on camera and see if it helps. But the most important thing to focus on is your squeeze page conversion ratio.

Lets say your webinar converts at 3%. By really improving it you might only get a 1% or 2% bump. So instead of 3 sales you maybe make 4 out of every 100 registrations. But by taking your registration rate up from 15% to 30% you will have taken your sales from 3 to 6. Changes to a squeeze page are much easier to make happen, and jumps of 100% or more are totally possible with the smallest of changes. So with all that you have to worry about, worry about the webinar last, so long as you have an even decent conversion rate.

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Thanks John! What you're saying makes complete sense. I was wondering about being on cam on the squeeze page, as a way to introduce myself and establish trust. sounds like what you're saying is just to try it out and see what kind of results I get. If you have any other recommends on what makes a registration page convert well, please let me know...

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My hunch is most will do better on camera, but I don't think it's crucial.

As far as a reg page, it's essentially just a squeeze page. No different rules. Make a bold promise regarding what you can offer, make the offer, throw in some social proof or make the offer relevant to your visitors in some way, and then restate the offer with a call to action. The biggest factor will be your headline and matching that to your targeting. I'd think about the targeting first then write three headlines accordingly. Test each one and then if you really want to take it to the next level, throw two more into the mix against your best one. Just keep doing that until you take it to the next level. Other big things worth testing are video vs no video, opt in position, and sometimes color.

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Ok thanks! I'll post results as I get a clearer picture over time in case someone else would find it helpful...

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Hey John, This may sound like a dumb question but if an email blast is sent out to a pitch page what do you base the sales conversion rate on? How many people viewed the pitch page?

For example, an email was sent to 1500 users. 177 clicked through to watch the pitch, 9 clicked through to the purchase page and 2 purchased. So is that @ 10% conversion to sales?

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People calculate differently. Because everyone I send to a pitch page is on my list I base my conversion rate on the total number of subscribers. So if I had 1000 people and 10 bought I'd have a conversion rate of 1%. But if only 100 people had actually clicked on the page then it would be fair to say that the sales page converted at 10%. That is what most affiliates going after JVs quote, but it's a little misleading if you are running people through a funnel as most people have burnt out by then and most of the selling actually takes place before the sales page is even up and if you were to run cold traffic directly to that same sales page there is no way it would convert at 10%. So long story short, everyone frames it differently. Because I focus on subscriber value almost all of the conversion rates I mention are in relation to the list size. Most don't do it that way because the other number is more impressive, though less helpful.

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yes, thanks! In this case there was no sales funnel... the list had not been primed in any way and it wasn't my list although some segment of them were familiar with me... maybe a couple hundred people. They were sent one email and there was very low key "selling" in the body of the email. So I think it's fair to base it on who clicked thru to the pitch, which  is where the real selling took place.

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If you want to paste a link I can take a look at the page so i better understand but in that case I would call the conversion rate 1.1%. I'd base that conversion rate on the fact that 177 people saw your pitch and two bought. But I'm not sure what the purchase page is and how that differs from the pitch.

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oh right. You're right it's 1 % which is not good. I just mis-calculated out of wishful thinking. It's the pitch page with the video: http://www.howtomeditatewithmu.....with-music

 

Basically, folks were sent one email directing them to the video. These are people already familiar with the techniques, who train with my teacher. 

 

On the up side, I got a few complements on the video as well as interest in partnering and even a request to hire me to create a video for their mindfulness related business. 

 

I also made my first sale last night to a total stranger who only saw the video. I haven't started driving traffic yet, because I've been focused on setting up live webinars, but I think the articles I've been writing for Mind Body Green have led some people to check out the video. I need to set up analytics on that page.

 

I'm not sure I have enough data yet to scrap the video. Here's what I've got so far:

 

I've sent @ 400 friends and fans to see it and made 5 sales 

One person discovered it through an article I wrote and purchased

My teacher's organization sent 181 (last count) people to it and 2 bought

An affiliate on clickbank sent 550 people to it and made no sales

I've also gotten a lot of really positive feedback on it, interest in joint venturing, appreciation for how creative it is and how clearly I communicate the educational side of it.

I haven't spent much time sending traffic to it because I'm focused on organizing live webinars.

I'd love your thoughts on whether I have enough data to go on to reach a clear conclusion. Also, if you recommend a split test what would your recommend I do for the alternate video? Length, message, etc.

 

Here's the registration page for the live webinar:

http://mindfulnesswithmusic.com

 

I'd love your feedback on that too. 

 

many thanks John

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