Thanks John for another great lesson!
My brand is somewhat consistent, but then again somewhat not. I'll use the tips in the video the help fix some things. My colors are green, blue and white, which I use for my logo and my website. I always use the same logo on all my CD album covers and social media banners.So, at least I have that going for me.
New Age Music imagery has changed a bit since the 80s. It used to be long hair and beards with some sort of electronic instrument. These days it's a bit more conservative (both Yanni and Chip Davis have shaved a bit and cut their hair for example, but Vangelis and Kitaro have maintained the old look). Now concerts are normally an orchestra and choir with the electronic instruments mixed in somewhere. It's usually performed at concert halls. So, it looks like I'm pretty consistent with the current imagery.
I've tried different genres over the years to figure what works best for me, so that needs to be more consitent. My next album is Astronomy themed, which is the direction I've needed to go in for quite some time (My artist name comes from the word "albedo" which is an astronomical term for the percentage of light reflected off a planet or moon). New Age Music and Astronomy have many connections, so I believe it's a good direction to go in. There are many examples including: Mannheim Steamroller's Fresh Aire V & Music of the Spheres albums (Mannheim Steamroller and NASA have teamed up several times for various projects), Vangelis' Mythodea album (dedicated to the 2001 Mars Odyssey spacecraft), Isao Tomita has at least 4 "Space" albums including his cover version of The Planets by Gustav Holst, etc. etc. etc. Space music has always has a New Age feel to it. Besides, I'm a big Astronomy fan, and always have been.
If there are any more tips on how I can specifically improve my branding that would be useful. My squeeze page will be changed soon to reflect all of the new changes. Thanks a bunch!
- Doug Clyde
ALBEDO MUSIC
- Doug Clyde, ALBEDO, http://www.albedomusic.com
Awesome Doug. Glad you liked the lesson. Sounds like you have a good handle on what you're doing. Probably why your conversion rate to sales is 7% if I remember right
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John,
Yes, my squeeze page for Facebook traffic is currently at 7.5%, and my main page for other traffic (not including Twitter, Ezine or You Tube) is currently at 15% (Meaning that 15% of those who visit my squeeze page sign-up for my e-mail).
So, I guess I'll just keep doing what I'm doing, and I'll try to get more people to visit my squeeze page. Thanks a bunch!
- Doug Clyde
ALBEDO MUSIC
- Doug Clyde, ALBEDO, http://www.albedomusic.com
Hey Doug,
I actually thought you were converting to sales at about 7%. Is that not right? Those numbers are still on the low side for a squeeze page. I'd like to see you up over at least 20% on that. But weren't you at that point already?
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John,
Yes, 7.5% was the percentage of all recent subscribers who bought my album after receiving the final message in the e-mail series. 7% was also my last Facebook advertising click through rate. 18% was the highest my squeeze page conversion ever got from facebook traffic. It has since dropped to 7.5%. My main squeeze page is currently at 15%, but has less visitors, so it's hard to say how accurate that number is. 22.7% is my current e-mail open rate for the e-mail series final message. 33% of those who opened the final e-mail clicked on the link and bought the album.
So, calculating using my best conversion rates, I would have to advertise to at least 1000 people to get one album sale. (70 would click on the advertisement, 13 of them would sign-up to my e-mail, 3 would open the final e-mail, and 1 of those would buy the album) I would have to get a rate of $0.10 per click to break even. That's where I'm currently at. So, there's definitely room for improvement.
- Doug Clyde
ALBEDO MUSIC
- Doug Clyde, ALBEDO, http://www.albedomusic.com
Cool. Well, if 7.5% of your subs are buying then your funnel is doing well. But your opt in rates are pretty low. If you could bring your opt in rates up to 30% (which is doable) then you could afford 40 cents per click, which is totally doable. Ad an upsell and the numbers move even more in your favor. Add some online concerts, a membership site, merch, or anything else for that matter and things get even better. You've got a nice start at any rate. 7.5% to sales is very strong, and that's usually the hardest number to effect.
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John,
Go figure, I guess I'm working backwards. Looks like I've figured out how to make my funnel work, but haven't learned how to get them to opt in. I do have an upsell, but unfortunately nobody bought it. I've been doing some online concerts lately (I'm still very new at it), that you already know, and yes I have merchandise for sell. I don't have a membership site. I've thought about it, but can't think of anything interesting to put on it that isn't already available in some form. I'll have to do some more experimentation to see if I can get my conversation rate up to 30%.
I'll be changing my squeeze page again in August or September to reflect the new "Space" album. I'll probably keep my Final Fantasy squeeze page on a subpage of the website, and have an opt in just for video game fans. I'll most likely have another subpage and list for my Christmas music as well. That's the plan. In the meantime, I'll continue to do more live online concerts on StreetJelly, and see if I can get a good conversion rate from that. Thanks!
- Doug Clyde
ALBEDO MUSIC
- Doug Clyde, ALBEDO, http://www.albedomusic.com
Sounds good Doug. Getting the squeeze page to convert well just comes down to really dialing in your targeting and then making the ad copy, squeeze page and overall branding very congruent. Approach it like you did the funnel and you'll get there
Keep us posted.
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I concur, this lesson is a great thought exercise for working on all of our target markets.
Doug, this is a long process to getting your funnel and opt-in processes dialed in and also just the whole mailing list and community building thing is something that takes a long time to develop and create. And it's something we have to work on constantly as independent musicians. This is grassroots in the age of the Internet and I've found the advice here the most useful and hands-on of any kind of music business development program that I've participated in a really long time. It's nice to see someone else on the site who's consistently working on the process, I'd love to do a Google+ hangout or something with you and some of the other musicians here sometime so that we can compare notes!
Thanks John and Mike!
Yes, unfortunately these things take a lot of time, but can be very beneficial in the end. I'll definitely keep everyone posted on my progress.
- Doug Clyde
ALBEDO MUSIC
- Doug Clyde, ALBEDO, http://www.albedomusic.com
Thanks Mike. And yes, I'd love to see you guys starting your own masterminds. I think that would be great.
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Okay, I finally got to the branding exercise this weekend and just in time because my band, Sunspot, released a new EP two weeks ago. Here's my notes and outline along with my exercise and I'm going to change our squeeze page tag with it:
Good stuff Mike. Now what is your plan for the next step and how you will use the results of the exercise in your marketing?
It's kind of cool though... At least for me, if someone was to give me just these three phrases to describe a band "Danger, Mystery, Synths and Guitars... I get an immediate image in my head of what that band might look and sounds like. Something like Evanescence comes to mind. And interestingly, I have never really even listened to Evanescence. I'm just familiar with the brand.
But for what it's worth, when I listen to your sound I personally hear something more up beat. Danger and mystery are probably not the first thoughts I have from the first couple tracks you have on Reverbnation. But that's just me. And it would all sort of depend on what track you were leading with. I say this all not to really point in any direction, just to offer feedback in case that's helpful.
So to sum that up. For me, that brand that you described in your description is really strong and very specific (to me), which is great. But I personally would feel a disconnect between the intended brand and the actual music and images, as I am currently aware of them. That said, I know you have a new album out so you may be in the process of rebranding.
Hope that's worth something, and keep in mind, it's just one opinion.
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Thanks for the feedback and analysis, John. A lot of times when we work on our marketing and branding, we focus on the lyrics of songs, which in a EP like the one that we just released, "Dangerous Times", mystery and danger are central to the themes, but the music itself is pretty upbeat and dancey. Same with the follow-up, "In Vino Veritas".
It's probably better to focus on the feelings that the music as a whole conjures up, that's why I was going for "When good people do bad things, hard rock hits the dance floor in Sunspot's latest single". But the issue of the branding matching the product has dogged us for a long time and trying to actually capture what our product is instead of what we think it is (or hope it to be). We're a real control freak DIY type of group.
What I think our music really is -
Literate, often geeky and often dark, lyrics
Big choruses that you can sing along to
Beats that are danceable
Expert guitar work
The problem is that I'm not really sure how to portray that in a way that is easily relatable. Creating that story around ourselves is a challenge that we're seemingly always working on.
Now, where we're thinking of going with the branding is to work on a podcast where we talk about supernatural, occult, and haunted things in the entertainment world. One of my interests has always been folklore and one of my hats is that I run a small tour company in Madison, Wisconsin doing a haunted history tour that I researched and wrote.
We're going to host a podcast where we discuss music legends, haunts, curses, rockers that believe in aliens, etc... We haven't figured out the name for it yet but are thinking of describing it as "where South by Southwest meets Coast to Coast". Anyway, we have fun talking about the legends, maybe interview an author, and then each episode has a little song we wrote at the end relating to the theme. Since we've always had a occult or sci-fi references in our music, we thought that it might fit the brand we're trying to create perfectly - which is fun music about weird and geeky stuff and hearkening back to "literate, sometimes dark, lyrics" and "big choruses that you can sing along to".
Those things really are the heart of the brand, but the trick is to describe that in an exciting way that encourages the clicks. I think the podcast is going to lead people to the squeeze page and to join the community as well as offering chances for different kinds of merchandise and upsells, as well as just being a lot of fun and a new challenge.
Hey Mike,
Funny, my very first website that had nothing to do with my music was a paranormal blog. I new nothing at the time and wasn't able to generate more than a few bucks a day, but we got a ton of traffic so there is definitely a lot of activity out there in that niche. I could see it being a successful endeavor in it's own right. It will be tricky to marry that to the music I think, but where there's a will there's a way.
This is TOTALLY just my opinion here, but after reading your response and listening to your stuff, I do think there might be a disconnect here between who you guys think you are and how 99% of people are going to perceive you. As much as I'm a lyrics guy, I think it's the overall sound and image that tends to speak the loudest for the brand.
What I honestly get from it is fun, geeky, dancy. But what I'm sort of hearing is that you guys want to be something darker. I think that's probably a common issue and a definitive example of having a poorly developed brand. I get what you're saying about the lyrics, but I don't think the tone of the music is ever going to be outshined by the pretty specific feeling the music conveys.
So I guess this is where you make a choice and decide if you want to change the brand to match what others see and make targeting easier, or if you want to fight an uphill battle and stick to your guns. I think the former will definitely yield better results, but if it doesn't make you happy then it won't be right either. I'll be interested to know what your feelings are.
Hope none of that is too blunt or critical, just trying to offer one person's opinion and hopefully give you something constructive to work with.
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Nope, blunt is just fine. I love this music and whatever gets more people to hear it is the main goal.
I really thought that the dark thing was more in vein with the songs, but you've got a great point, that the vibe of the music speaks much louder than the content of the lyrics.
You wouldn't describe "Jump" by Van Halen as a song about egging a guy on to leap to his death, you'd describe it as a fun rock song that you can sing along to and has an amazing guitar solo and one of the best keyboard riffs of the 80s.
Fun, geeky, dance-y pop-rock is as good of a description as any (for our last EP, we went with "Disco-metal from the Cheese and Beer Galaxy" which had that sense of fun, but in the end, when people hear 'metal' now they hear something different than what I'm thinking, so we're going to have to adjust that.)
I guess the hard part has been to hang that description around some kind of story or image. It seemed easier to sell it around the lyrics because they lead themselves to something exciting, at least more than fun, dance-y, and geeky. We'll have to keep working on a good tag around that!
Cool, you're right about Jump. I had no idea that was what the song was about. I just ran around singing it like a kid, thinking it was a party song. Same could be said about "Born in the USA". It's actually a war protest song but everyone plays it like a pro-american anthem because that's how it feels. When you hear Springsteen's original folk arrangement it's obvious that it's something different.
I really like the term "disco-metal", and that would get me to want to hear it, but if the music doesn't line up with expectations you might have a problem. But if you have a few tracks that more capture that idea then you might just lead with them to justify the brand decision. And if you don't mind me saying so, I think you could probably find some better images. Don't get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the image you guys currently use (I think it's in the back of a car or limo?), but somehow I feel like it could be rock-starred up a bit. But I would feel that was more important if you were trying to pull off the "metal" part of disco metal. When I look at the current image I think of something more like Scissor Sisters, which isn't so terrible if you want to play that up a bit more in other areas. I say all of that not even having thought of Scissor Sisters in years. It was just a knee jerk association to give you a feel for what at least one other person might see/feel. I'm sure others would get very different impressions.
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Scissor Sisters, interesting. I haven't thought of those guys in years. But I can see it, as soon as we say disco and then portray the present look. We definitely have some Disco-Metal tracks that we can feature (our last EP was heavier but still dance-y.) We're always pushing our newest music, but there's no reason we can't lead with another track and then talk about the EP in the e-mail chain.
Those pictures were taken to promote our EP last September where we played 6 states in 1 day and broadcast from our van the whole time. So, that's why we were in the van and we haven't taken follow-ups yet.
We'll be adding some new pics when we release the podcast and that's when we'll really be focusing on branding because it's going to be something new and we want to make sure we hit the right balance. We're constantly releasing new material but this is something different and we're excited to create a story around it and our new music.
Anyway, I just finished listening to the new SEO module and I'll be working furiously on finding new keywords appropriate for the latest image (as well as a new photoshoot next month.) I'll definitely be returning to this exercise soon!
Awesome Mike. You're definitely thinking about all the right things. I'm sure you'll find a happy balance. Cheers.
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John Chorba's case study is very inspiring. In fact I spent a few hours doing the exercise last night. I will share my findings but first I feel it's important to share this: John you know a bit about me- I've said I'm kinda reggae, singer/songwriter acoustic guy. Truth is yes, these are all features to my show, but I've been ignoring the main benefit of my value (for some reason).
I sat down with my Dad yesterday who happens to be my number one fan, and he reminded me that the thing that makes me stand out, the thing that everyone remarks on when I play live and the thing that instantly makes me stand out: is my bass playing. Other than the fact that I do a one-man-show with loops/guitar/drums, my bass playing is the main thing people remember about me. I wish it was my songwriting, but it's my playing, and my bass playing in particular.
I play lead bass. I consciously chose bass instead of lead guitar as a kid because I thought too many people play electric guitar. But I still wanted to stand out on it, unlike many other bass players. It's quirky, and it's a style that I developed many years ago to be different, and I gained a small but strong following... but I abandoned it after a couple of years of thinking it was too weird to make me majorly successful.
So I gave up and took any musical job to pay the bills: lead singer in a funk band, drummer in a jazz band, bassist in a hip-hop group. I did land a couple of notable jobs like drummer with The Toyes, who wrote Sublime's Smoke Two Joints. And I played with Bill Kreutzmann of the Grateful Dead. All stuff that looked good on paper, and I also learned a ton.
But since I found MMM, I've come full circle with it- and after reading stories like Jew Jacobin Club and how actually being really weird can sell well if you find your audience, present it right, and present it bold... and your story too John about how you started as a singer/songwriter, but got to LA and beefed up your sound for the Majors, and now here you are again successful at doing the style you started out doing... it's really inspired me to get real. So before I share my findings in the same exercise you gave John Chora, I just wanted you to listen to the song I did the music video treatment for.
I would really like to get your take on it John, as far as what audience you think would best appreciate it amongst any other things that come to your mind. I trust not only your marketing savvy by also your musical ear, as you're one of the best damn singer/songwriters out there, and you happen to have worked with thousands of musicians too.
The song is called Goldfish, it's attached. It's just vocals, drums, bass, and a little acoustic guitar which I play all of, and some super rad production that a buddy did. Warning: there's a 43 second intro I maybe should've edited out but for the sake of taking action, I just wanted to share it w/you ASAP, to get your take on which audience you think I should aim it at and anything else that comes to mind. Thank you.