There are many people out there who put a lot of focus on getting as many Facebook “Likes” as possible. There are pros and cons to many of the strategies out there, and there is an entire conversation to be had about whether or not Facebook Likes really even matter at all. In this month’s lesson we are going to discuss the REAL value of Facebook likes and I’m going to show you THREE different strategies for getting more likes.
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Cheers for this video John.. I recently started being more vigilant with the ad mining technique and it certainly does work.
In regards to the retargeting.. I've got my campaign running using the custom audience "Everyone who engaged with your page" (in the past 365 days) .. according to the FB description for that setting it says.. "This includes everyone who visited your Page or engaged with your Page's content or ads on Facebook or Messenger" .. I'm assuming that would include people who liked your ad post or liked your page (via an ad or thru ad mining) but may not have yet visited your Page?
On a different note.. is there anyway to clean up a FB page to remove bot likes and dead accounts etc?
Hey Dino, sorry for the slow response. I was off for the weekend.
Engagement will include any engagement, be that a click or a like. So it should grab everyone, but keep in mind that some of those reactions could be negative ones, so it's not going to be as targeted as people who like your page, though it will be broader.
To my knowledge there is no way to clean up your page and remove those dead pages. However, most of them will be outside of the US, so by targeting western countries that will exclude many, if not all, of those accounts. Another alternative is to only target people who have engaged within the last year. You will leave some people behind that way, but let's face it, if they haven't engaged with your page in a year, they are probably not fans.
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Hey John,
Thanks for the lesson. When I first got interested in this approach I researched the f*** out of MMM and The Savvy Musician Academy and part of the reason I went with you was because I liked your more down to earth approach of substance over shine (just made that phrase up to describe MMM, ha!)... I'm still happy to be learning from someone I vibe with on that level :).
I've been starting to write more bloggy stuff recently, and wondering whether I should put a little £ into making sure people on my fb page see when I write something. Could you let me know what are the pros and cons of doing an 'ad' for a blog post, or boosting a post?
Thank you.
Thanks Karen, that means a lot.
Some times I kick myself because in recent years others have come into this space with bigger teams and some pretty impressive presentations while I just clunk a long with a pretty un-glossy approach. But I've been at this for more than a decade. When I launched MMM in 2009 (the first version of MMM actually came out as an ebook in 2007), there was almost nobody else teaching direct response marketing to musicians. Nor had anyone really developed a system for doing so. Now the space extremely competitive. For what it's worth, I know my stuff. At the risk of sounding arrogant, you'll be hard pressed to find someone with as much real world experience and success in both the music marketing space, and as a musician. I'm a bit of a control freak and tend to do most things myself, which means that I don't have the flashiest presentations. And I do rely on "substance over shine", and really try to take care of people who spend money with me through a good customer support experience. So it's nice to hear when people see that. Thanks 🙂
I think you absolutely should promote those blog posts (just so long as you can afford it). It's a long game investment in your fan base and you won't see the direct ROI, but I think it's important. I promote every blog post I ever create. I have created a custom audience that includes all of my lists, all of my web traffic, and anyone who is engaged or visited my FB page in the last year (Facebook doesn't make it easy to add Facebook likes to a custom audience). And then I spend a small amount of money (about $1/day for every 10,000 people I have in my audience. Sometimes a bit more if it's important.
I tend to try and spend about 10% of my cold traffic budget on general retargeting, and then also promote each post for about 3 days (or until the price starts to bump up), based on the outline above. But calculating ROI is tricky.
I'll give you an example of how confusing it can be to calculate one's ROI...
Take MMM for example... I spend about $100/day on advertising to cold traffic. I spend about 10% of that budget on retargeting to the sales page. I also promote posts whenever I create them, like I mentioned above. BUT, each day, I loose money on my main funnel. In other words, according to FB conversion stats, I am spending more acquiring my leads then I am making in sales.
HOWEVER, every single day I make sales from either new people, or older subscribers who have been on my list for a long time (sometimes years). With those sales added to the equation I make a nice profit every day. But they don't show up as conversions because they are well outside of the conversion tracking period. BUT, if turn off those ads, those extra (seemingly out of nowhere) sales all stop.
I'm sure that some of this is just imperfect tracking on Facebook's part. But I do always search these people to see when they come into the funnel. And about half of my sales are either older subs or not in the funnel. So my conclusion is that with my ads, and the audience that I have, there is a ripple effect that grows and grows and brings in a very high quality lead that dramatically impacts my bottom line.
The point to all of this is that, while in the beginning all we can do is go off of conversion stats, what we need to be aware of is that we are creating an eco system of sorts. So it's really important that the content we put out (beyond the automated funnel) gets seen, because each time we do we create more ripples. I should add, that when I publish less content, I also see less sales.
Hope that made sense. The simple answer is just yes, promote those posts if you can swing it. But there is a bigger point to be considered there.
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Hey John,
Thanks so much for your response. Yes the customer support is really very good :). If you're interested, at some point I'd be happy to share more of my journey and early perceptions of this course and the SMA, which I have also actually dipped my toes into. It was actually SMA that first caught my attention for real, in honesty. Then I decided to do a lot of comparing and contrasting because I'd seen your stuff (though had previously felt skeptical), and for various reasons after scratching beneath the surface, I realised that MMM would suit me loads better. Really happy to share my journey and reasons in as much detail as you're interested in, once my funnel is breaking even, which for me will feel like a massive milestone. I'm just one person, and perhaps you don't need loads of feedback ... the main thing to say is that I'm glad I scratched beneath the surface, and I'm really happy to be on board with you on this nail biting journey!
Big thanks for all your insights into promoting content. Really very helpful and gave me loads of extra, invaluable knowledge. You actually didn't answer my question though, haha ... which was a really simple question of what the difference between promoting a post and creating an ad for a custom audience is (except that the post can be seen on your timeline?).
Big thanks,
Karen
Hey Karen,
I'm always interested in anything that gives me insight into the community's perceptions. I want to stress though, I wasn't trying to single out any one person or company. There are a lot of new players in the last couple of years.
Sorry, I missed the question...
The biggest difference is that you have a lot more options when creating an ad, both in terms of targeting and placements, as well as the look and appearance of the ad as well. You can promote a post from within your ads manager as well and have access to those options, aside from the design elements.
Aside from that, it's what you pointed out, the post lives on your feed. This gets you a bit of social proof as people browse your feed (pretty small impact), but it also allows you to go back to that post and run it as an ad again later, without losing the many comments and likes that the post has (the post social proof can be fairly valuable).
I usually create a post on my FB feed but then promote it from within the ads manager, rather than just boost it.
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Thanks so much for info re: posts and ads- really helpful...
So regarding feedback to you re: my journey into MMM, the main things to say I guess that you might find interesting is that I compared MMM and the other course I mentioned in quite some detail and realised that the other course would be doing a lot more spoon feeding on the creative side, which I thought I would find frustrating- even to the point of choosing what songs to put on your album etc. I am very strong visually, having found myself learning the skills to do all my design (CD sleeve, website etc) myself. I've gone way further with this than you seem to say is necessary (out of the gate, as you would say), because of my artistic sensibilities. The other course would seem to say this high level 'branding' is vital from the start. My sensibilities vibe with that, but again, it is not something I wanted hand holding with.
I guess if I was to summarise the difference between the two, (having also dipped my toe into the other course) the other course holds your hand through a very specific journey they've laid out step by step, whereas the feeling I've had from MMM is that the support is there if I need it, (even to the point of hand holding on certain elements- sorry about that, lol!) but it's a little more up to me to root around and decide what I need, which suited me.
Also as I mentioned, I've felt put off by some of the glossier approach of the other course - feeding into desperation for 'likes' over simply building a sustainable and vibey career. I so vibe with your reluctant video on 'whats the deal with facebook likes' ha!
And finally of course cost was a massive factor for me, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate how affordable you've made your courses.
Hope some of that might be helpful to you, or at least it's one person's experience you might find interesting. :).
Karen
Thanks Karen, it does definitely help to understand perspectives like that.
Talk soon 🙂
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