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October 23, 2018
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Hi again.

So the good news is Bjork's audience is doing well- the best yet with the dynamic creative round. Gradually putting the budget up to get some solid data :).

So a question about pausing and un-pausing. Is it a bad idea to un-pause an ad that I paused a while ago? Should I clone it and start again? I want to leave the fb part as it is, but continue and experiment with squeeze page tweaks.

On a similar note, how do you tend to test squeeze page tweaks in an ongoing way ? I was thinking of maybe letting a campaing roll and tweak something every 25 conversions or so and see which version of the squeeze page got me the cheapest batch of 25 conversions. Does 25 like a good amount to give me a good enough idea?

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Karen Grace said
OK thanks for the general idea.

Another question re: testing: Is it advisable to exclude warm traffic when trying variations of ads on the same audience, to get me cleaner results? Because I'm testing so many different approaches on the same audiences, I'm wondering whether it's good or bad that they might remember me. Maybe a mixture of both?!!

I feel like I'm getting slowly closer to getting 2 or 3 audiences adding up to 200,000 or so. I can't bloody wait for that milestone- it's taking so much testing !!! 

It would be great to set up more audiences to really scale up the budget after that. Ideally once I have my patreon thing set up, I'd hope to be getting a few fans a week on board with that, otherwise it wil feel a bit glacial ...

I'm baring in mind the video lookalike thing, as a big audience would be a dream after all the fiddling around I've been doing. You mentioned I'd need thousands or even tens of thousands of views for it to work. Can you give me any kind of vague ball park figure as to how much this might cost? Sounds like it could cost a few hundred $? I need to weigh up whether it's worth the risk...

I also wonder how many customers is a good number to base a big lookalike audience on? 

Big thanks,

Karen  

I exclude subscribers but not warm traffic (general), my beliefs being that it sometimes takes a few impressions. Occasionally I do exclude warm traffic and run a different campaign to just the warm traffic, but not generally. For the most part, simpler tends to always work better for me. But I know others that do well with that approach.

Yes, it would cost hundreds of dollars to get the audience large enough to create an effective video view lookalike audience. The way to do it is to create a normal ad that uses the video instead of an image. If you can make that work you can get your leads while building up the video view audience. Then there is no risk. That said, it is a bit more challenging to create a successful video ad, in my experience, but it's totally doable.

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Karen Grace said
PS one more numercial question. Am I right in thinking that the cost per click on an ad is a mixture between the click through rate per impression and how many other people are going after that audience at any given time? Thanks.   

Correct. It's an auction. If you advertise in countries that few people advertise in, you will pay next to nothing per click, but no one will buy anything. The competition is the base factor, the ads performance is what gets you the traffic over the other guy, for more or less money.

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Karen Grace said
P.P.S. I noticed that for one of my campaigns, only half the women hung around for the landing page view after having cliked (so impatient, us females ha!). Presumably this can be addressed? What can I do to speed up my website? Thanks.  

Interesting. I'm surprised by that number. In truth, I have not monitored this stat much beyond the total numbers. 

You could check your load times with something like this: https://tools.pingdom.com/

If there was an issue you might look at your image sizes and possible add a cache plugin.

I ran a load time of your site compared to mine and they were about the same.

It may just be that numbers like that are normal and have more to do with connectivity issues on mobile. I have no idea though. Sounds like something that would be tricky to improve.

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Karen Grace said
Hi again.

So the good news is Bjork's audience is doing well- the best yet with the dynamic creative round. Gradually putting the budget up to get some solid data :).

So a question about pausing and un-pausing. Is it a bad idea to un-pause an ad that I paused a while ago? Should I clone it and start again? I want to leave the fb part as it is, but continue and experiment with squeeze page tweaks.

Great. Glad to hear it. Often pausing and unpausing hurts a campaign's performance. But not always. I always start by doing just turning it back on. If it doesn't do well, I clone it. Not much to lose.

On a similar note, how do you tend to test squeeze page tweaks in an ongoing way ? I was thinking of maybe letting a campaing roll and tweak something every 25 conversions or so and see which version of the squeeze page got me the cheapest batch of 25 conversions. Does 25 like a good amount to give me a good enough idea?

Thanks,

Karen  

That's basically what I do. For a more accurate split test you can use the split test script I included in an older split testing lesson in the IC, or use Facebook's proper split testing option (which is expensive). But I usually just do what you outlines. 25 is pretty low, and I would feel better with 100. But sometimes we just can't spend that much and I don't think it;s teh end of the world if we just decide early based on the best evidence we have.

Favour to ask... I realize you are breaking these questions up into individual threads per a request I made a while back, but what I meant to to request is that you break up unrelated questions into their own topics. Readers of the forum tend to browse based on topics and would never dig deep into a thread that didn't interest them. But each one of these questions is really it's own topic. So if possible, please break up unique questions into unique topics. It makes the info easier to discover and makes my work flow a bit easier as well. Thanks.

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Thanks for all this.

Yes for sure I can break things up into individual topics more. I think I was good at doing that for a while, and then backslid because the way my mind works, questions all slosh into each other, ha! But I totally appreciate it doesn't make for easy reading/searching, so I'll take more time to take a step back and seperate out the questions ...

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Awesome. Thanks.

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I exclude subscribers but not warm traffic (general), my beliefs being that it sometimes takes a few impressions. Occasionally I do exclude warm traffic and run a different campaign to just the warm traffic, but not generally. For the most part, simpler tends to always work better for me. But I know others that do well with that approach.

 

Hey again, just wanted to clarify the above. In order to exclude subscribers, do I create a 'customer file' and exclude them?

I'm also wondering whether I need to faff around with this at this stage. For example if I've just acquired 40 subs using dynamic creative, and want to run another ad to the same audience, my understanding is that fb scatters the ad completely randomly in the first tier, so the chances of those same people seeing it and clicking are very slim. Is that correct or is that one of those things about fb that it's hard to know?

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To exclude subscribers I do two things... I export all of my subscribers from aweber and then import them. Then I create a custom audience of people who have landed on the subscriber thank you page in the last 180 days. Then I exclude both of those audiences from my ad. This way I just need to upload the new subscribers to the Facebook custom audience every 6 months or so to keep things up to date.

You don't need to do it on a campaign that is running but I would still do it on on your future campaigns. Facebook will know that your existing audience tends to engage and group them in your target audience otherwise. Or at least that seems to be the case.

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Hey John,

Just wanting to understand your instructions above. When you say 'export all of my subscribers from aweber and then import them', I'm a little confused... I've noticed under 'manage lists' in aweber you can 'back up and export all active lists'. Is that how I do it? And where exactly do I import them to? The customer file thing on Facebook? If so, hopefully it is self explanatory!

I'm also a little confused as to why you would do that as well as the list of people who have landed on the thank you page- aren't they the same? Isn't it easier to just do the latter? Does facebook keep the thank you page people updated automatically?

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To export...

If using legacy follow up and individual lists for customers vs non customers, I go to the list I want to export, click on subscribers, select "all subscribers", then export to a CSV. I then copy the email column and paste it in a text file without all the other data, and import that. But you don't actually need to do this. You can import the CSV directly. It's just one of those throw back things I still do for no real reason other than OCD.

If using campaigns (and a single list) you would go to the list in question, click on subscribers, then create a segment based on tags, ad tracking, or whatever you use to identify the segment you want to create a lookalike audience around. Then export, same as above.

To import...

Go to your ad manager and click "audiences". Then create an audience. Select "customer file", then import the file you exported from Aweber. To create a lookalike audience you then go back to the main audience page and simply create a lookalike audience (the lookalike audience is in a drop down below "create audience". 

All of that is from memory, so it may be slightly off, but it should be close enough to get you there. There are a few lessons on creating custom audiences here in the IC.

I do both because when you create an audience based on people who land on the page, you are limited to 180 days (365 in some instances). So that is why I do both. By uploading you get everyone that has been on your list for a while. By adding the landing page to the mix you get all the new people that you haven't had time to upload, making it such that you only need to bother uploading every few months or so to keep your audience pretty current. There also appears to be some inconsistencies in which people that land on the page don't overlap with your list, and visa versa. Not sure why that is. But by doubling up you get everyone (or closer to it).

Let me know if you still have any questions.

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Thanks for this.

I managed to create a thanks page audience. Does that update automically as more people subscribe?

I created th csv subs file, but when I clicked on 'customer file' in facebook, the attached message popped up.

I like your OCD admission, ha! I swing wildly between OCD and lazy oblivion- trying to achieve a bit more balance, hahaha!

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Yes, the audiences are dynamic and update automatically. It's one of the reasons the video lookalike audience can work well if you are using the video in the ad. It just sort of keeps feeding the data pool and improving.

The notice you are seeing has to do with a new change that Facebook implemented on October 31st. They are forcing you to connect your account to Business Manager if you want to create custom audiences. It's super annoying and I don't know why they are doing it. But it's not hard to do. Here's an overview: https://www.facebook.com/busin.....5968988019

Cheers.

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Thanks for this.

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No prob 🙂

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