Does anybody in the forum have any experience with releasing music under a Creative Commons License instead of the standard "All Rights Reserved" copyright?
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I've personally never done it. I focus on direct response marketing and would rather retain all the rights to my stuff. What's the idea behind granting the rights to the public? That it gets you more exposure? If that's it, it's my opinion that it's not worth it seeing as you know I don't put much stock in passive exposure. With that said, I'm sure there are some success stories out there. It's just outside of what I personally focus on.
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Hey there,
There are actually some pretty cool aspects to a CC license. It's meant to be a more modern (i.e. Commons Deed and Machine Readable layers) and flexible licensing mechanism.
There are I think 6 versions of the license ranging in restrictiveness. Some versions let people remix your music but not use commercially, some let people do anything they want as long as they credit you, and the most restrictive says people can download and share your music but not change or use commercially.
I think the main goal of the CC license is to a) provide a DRMless licensing model, and b) have variations that fit a variety of usage models.
For instance if you want to encourage remixes of your material, there are several options. You can say go with CC BY-NC-SA which lets people remix, tweak, build on your music non-commercially and anything they create with your material has to credit you and has to be released with the same CC BY-NC-SA license. Or you can throw the doors open with CC BY which lets people do anything they want with your material, even commercially, they just have to give you credit for your original work.
The most restrictive is CC BY-NC-ND which basically says people may download and share your music as long as you are given credit and that's all. No remixing, no commercial use. It's basically the same as all rights reserved - except that it allows that people are going to share music with their friends and kind of "de-criminalizes" that behavior.
It's pretty interesting stuff and worth looking into, especially if you think you might like to have others remix, mashup, or cover your material. Here is the link to the CC site:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/
Cheers!
Daniel
Thanks Daniel,
The remix angle makes some sense to me but It still strikes me as something that artists would be very unlikely to see any real benefit from in that the likely reality is that people will be using elements of your track in a capacity that is very unlikely to pull in new fans. The usage would need to be pretty massive for it to have any real impact, and the lack of commercial rights would sort of negate that in most cases... at least that's how it strikes me. I'd also never want to give out free sharing rights as that would seem to work against the opt in process that we are pushing here.
Not at all trying to challenge you on this, just genuinly curious about why people see this as a benefit. I have heard a lot of people talk about CC licenses and for me it just doesn't add up as a plus. But I may totally be missing it. I don't doubt that someone has made this work for them in a meaningful way.
I suppose podcasting might be one real way artists can benefit.
It does make me wonder if you could use this to create a CC song library and offer it as bait to generate more opt-ins though. You could essentuially create an authority site for one particular genre and then dangle the offer of hundreds of free tracks to anyone who creates a free account... I don't know the legality of this but it makes me wonder.
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Hey John,
No worries! I love a good, multisided discussion! I've been thinking about CC for a couple of years and still don't know quite where I stand. On one hand, I feel an alternative system is good, and a needed rejection of the stupid way the heavies in the music industry have handled themselves over the last decade. But, I'm not exactly sure of the best way to apply CC licensing either - although I know that there are many artists that use it.
Though the licenses themselves are built on top of copyright, idea behind CC is based on the Open Source model for software - which I am pretty familiar with. Generally speaking, with OS software people develop an application and allow other people to use it for free, change it if they want to, or build it into their own app - as long as they attribute the parts they used from other OS projects. Most OS software projects make money by some combination of: getting underwritten (by IBM for example), selling support, asking for donations, or by having a version with enhanced features that is a paid upgrade.
To my mind it's that last bit that has the most obvious application to music. So you might have a model where you choose a CC license allowing people download, distribute for personal use, maybe remix or whatever, and maybe you even give your tracks away - but you sell an enhanced version. Maybe bundled remixes and higher quality formats like flac, or a vinyl LP with a t-shirt or art or exclusive videos or limited edition signed art, or whatever else you can think of.
I also think that part of the philosophy behind CC is just acknowledging that people share music regardless of how it's licensed, and that this is a good thing in the big picture. So CC says at a minimum sure, pass it around, make mixes, in short do what people have always done. If an artist wants to grant more rights than that, they can do so with quite a bit of control.
Nothing about CC says you have to give your stuff away. Nothing stops the artist from going ahead and selling the same basic unit. When you think about it, how many people are going to go to itunes to buy your latest record and then stop and say "oh I should check if this is CC licensed and go find a free version somewhere." Probably not many. Conversely, if somebody decides he's going to send his buddy a zip file of your record it's probably not too likely he'll go check to see if it's CC licensed and then feel guilty and not hook up his friend when he finds out it's not.
Extending that to the method of direct marketing we're using here, again, if you're giving away a track or two to compel people to sign up for your list, are they really going to go check the license and then feel cheated when they discover it's CC licensed? And if they have a friend who they think might like it too, are they really going to say "there's this tune I think you'll dig but I can't give it to you until you sign up on this mailing list"? Nah, their just going to send their friend the track. If the friend really does like it, they'll probably go check you out on their own anyway. You could even build for this contingency by making your offer a bit more compelling over the long term. Something like a random track from your catalog every couple months. That way, even if somebody already has one or two of your tracks from a friend who is on your list, they'll be enticed to sign up anyway. Then you can hit the list with your enhanced offerings.
Winding up this long winded screed... does any of that make it worthwhile to choose CC over the old way? Who knows? Some people think so obviously. I'm admittedly playing a bit of devils advocate here since I've never chosen to CC any of my meager offerings. I can see using some of the non-commercial use remix versions because that opens the door for creative fans. But I think I would want anybody wanting to use it in a commercial way to negotiate a separate license specifically for that.
Just more thoughts and talking out loud. 😉
Daniel
Im baaaaack.
Sitting here brainstorming ways to make use of CC has inspired me. I revamped my band recently and we're just now working out new stuff to record in January. Once we've got a couple of tracks done, I''ll experiment with licensing one or two with one of the non-commercial, remix OK with attribution CC licenses and actually try to use that as a hook to pull people in by calling attention to the license and asking people to remix – maybe even make the individual instrument tracks available.
We'll see what happens. It may flop just because my list is tiny and we've only got about 20 facebook fans 7 of whom are blood relatives. We're doing alright on twitter, maybe I can pimp it there. Put some energy into following/friending all the DJs and Sampleists I can find. (Any DJ/Samplists here on MMIC?)
Ok, I'm done for the day.
Daniel
Totally makes sense, and you're right, no one is going to take the time on a squeeze page, but if you start to get a following people would provide direct links on their sites. I have seen that for my tracks even without the CC license. I just wouldn't want to encourage it.
And while it's not exactly the same thing, my concern would be something like this...
I used to work with one of the producers from Curb Your Enthusiasm. She said they pulled the theme music from one of those sound libraries where the music was either CC or less than 100 bucks. I can't remember the exact terms. That song has been the theme song for one of the biggest shows in the last 10 years and they paid practically nothing.
Now, as it happens they did end up paying some additional money at some point just because it was kind of messed up that they got it for so cheap/free, but my understanding was that they didn't actually need to.
And the argument can certainly be made that they probably would never have gotten the gig at all if it wasn't available under those terms, but it's also a fluke of a situation.
I guess my feeling would simply be that it could end up working against you if you started to gain some traction.
...or maybe I'm just too much of a capitalistic pig 🙂
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Very true and all completely solid points. I'm definitely skewed to the "any exposure is good exposure" side at this point in my career, but you're right and it pays to think carefully about these things and hopefully avoid shooting ones self in the foot.
The story about the Curb theme (love that show) is a great illustration of how so much of it is just putting ones self out there as much as possible in order to increase ones chances of being in the right place when the lightning strikes.
As for whether you're to much of a capitalist pig… there's damn good reason why there are 300+ people here learning from you, and it's not your Marxist Music Marketing Manifesto.
Indeed 🙂
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