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Is it legal to publish a cover on youtube?
November 29, 2011
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I know (almost) everybody does it, but YouTube states very clearly that you have to own the copyright or have permission to use material that you don't hold the copyrights for, before you put anything on YouTube. Since it doesn't seem to be strictly enforced, at least right now, I'm guessing that they state this just to cover their own butt. My concern would be that if you start aggressively promoting covers to eventually lead to your original material, will You Tube/Google consider this a "black hat" technique and possibly shut down or de-rate your channel later? It might get a bit spendy to get permission for a large amount of covers just for YouTube. Or maybe it's nothing to worry about?

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November 29, 2011
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Hey Greg, hope you don't mind. I started a new thread for this one as it was it's own question, and a good one.

It's something I've wondered about myself and am still not 100% clear on after looking into it. Here is one answer I found that I thought summed up the collective consensus pretty well.

It's not legal, but... "as long as you give credit and don't make any money, you're not likely to get into any trouble. Google may or may not warn you, but they are not likely to remove your video, but they may.

"Anytime YouTube becomes aware that a video or any part of a video on our site infringes the copyrights of a third party, we will take it down from the site as required by law"
http://www.google.com/support/.....tube/bi…

"What is copyright infringement? Copyright infringement occurs when a copyrighted work is reproduced, distributed, performed, publicly displayed, or made into a derivative work without the permission of the copyright owner."
http://www.youtube.com/t/howto_copyright"

 

Another thing to consider is that you could always legally license the use of the song. Personally I'm going to take the approach of giving credit and not worrying about it. It is sooooo commonly done that I can't imagine getting in trouble beyond simply having the video taken down. With that said... I'm no lawyer.

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November 30, 2011
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Okay, let me start off my response by saying "I'm not an entertainment nor an intellectual property lawyer" – and I can't remember the source – but I recall reading somewhere that if the original artist has given permission once to let someone else create a cover version of their song – that you don't have to obtain formal permission to do one as well.

Common sense dictates that if you sell it – you're going to owe the original artist money, so you'd still have to get a license to use it officially.

Aside from that, I agree that if you site the original artist and don't sell your version that it should be fair game. The worst scenario seems to be that the video may be removed as opposed to having your channel or account shut down – so it's a relatively low-risk activity that has way more upside than downside.

November 30, 2011
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I think the real issue is distributing.  I'm not really sure if posting on Youtube counts as a
"public performance" because no one could watch it, or everyone could watch it.  It's not the
same as broadcasting it on the radio or playing it at a venue to an audience, and one has to pay
for the public perfomance of a song.  For example, Jango pays these fees, so it's ok to upload
a cover tune and have it play to all of their listeners.

If you don't make the cover downloadable, I think you are one step safer as then no one can
accuse you of distributing their song.

Having said that, what keeps me from posting a couple of covers that I have done myself, is
that I read somewhere that you're not allowed to make it available to the "public" at large without
permission.  So I have kept those particular songs off of sites that are accessible to the public at large.

But Mike is correct, the most important issue is if you are making money from the sale of the
song (or any exploitation of it for that matter.)  You have to pay the songwriter(s) and publishers for
that privilege, but it can be very reasonable to obtain a compulsory license through Harry Fox Agency.

I will continue with my plan to do covers of songs and post them because there are several factors in my favor:

1.  I am not making money from the song
2.  I am not distributing the song or video
3.  It is a video that I made of me interpreting someone's song:

It's not as if they are going to suddenly lose revenue or me gain revenue from a free video.
One can argue what "public performance" means in this case;  Is me recording myself singing
a song in my studio or a nearly empty venue and then making it "available" to the world a "public performance?"

I feel that this is why maybe they don't "patrol" cover songs because it's somewhat of a grey area.
But I also know that it is up to the copyright holder and their interested parties to "call it" if they feel it is
infringing on their copyright.  So maybe this is why there's not a hard and fast rule, the rights owners
can look at it as free publicity to keep their song in the public consciousness…

December 14, 2011
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I recently got an email from a very concerned subscriber who applied for a mechanical license to do her version of a cover, but when she asked about doing a video on Youtube was flatly refused the option to do it. She was derailed because she intended to do a number of these types of covers on Youtube for promotional purposes.

 

I shared with her some of what we've said in this post, that as long as she's not selling it - she's probably okay - but since the group she was dealing with specifically told her 'no video' I recommended that she abide by their wishes.

I also said that I highly doubted that she'd get the same reaction from the other parties she'd be dealing with - she's paying them for the mechanical license so I thought they'd be somewhat welcoming of the idea to promote the music she'd be attempting to sell (and earn them money)?

 

Potential loophole would be if her friend (preferably a complete stranger) video taped her playing the song live and uploaded it to their account (not the artists) - she would have no control over that.

Loophole #2 - I'm wondering if the music put to photo slides would constitute a 'video' or not? Technically it's a slide show set to music...

I'm just shooting ideas out there folks - remember I'm not a lawyer and am not endorsing anyone to do any of this stuff - just sayin'.

December 14, 2011
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I'm no authority, but I did once check wiki articles on   "Derivative"and  "Mechanical Licenses" material and I think doing a youtube cover song falls within the mechanical license laws, as long as they are not "derivative".  Mechanical Licenses, if I remember correctly, are a right bestowed on people doing covers: ie the "owner" of the song is required by law to provide a mechanical license. Which you can do thru a couple of organizations, like Harry Fox.  

 

Derivative material does require specific release by the publisher/owner of the copyright. 

 

Beware: This post should not be informative, rather, an encouragement to sort thru some wiki articles on copyright law and examine the diff between mechanical licenses and derivative material.  I'm not sure the owner of the song has a right to withold a mechanical license for youtube presentations. These licenses are cheap and ez to get online. see harryfox.com, for example.  I think CD Baby has another org listed on their site. 

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Mike Ippersiel said:

I recently got an email from a very concerned subscriber who applied for a mechanical license to do her version of a cover, but when she asked about doing a video on Youtube was flatly refused the option to do it.

That's a trip. It always surprises me that there are people out there that miss the boat so badly. A cover song is just advertising for the artist. Even if it's bad. I have people who have taken my actual sound recordings and thrown them up on youtube with pretty terrible visuals behind them. One of them has over 150,000 views. While I can imagine a few arguments against it, I think the positives FAR out way the negatives.

I'm especially shocked given that she applied for a license. Very odd to me.

I really am not clear on all the legalities, but one only needs to look at the hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of cover songs on youtube to realize that there is an angle there.

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December 17, 2011
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I think it has to do with the fact that a mechanical license is the right to reproduce
a song on a "phonorecord," (this license was started by player pianos no less)
so it doesn't apply to Youtube, which is performing the song and putting it where
anyone could listen to it.

I don't understand it either.  Once the copyright holder has exercised their right
to publish the song first, then other artists can cover it.  I think it must get down
to a performance royalty issue.  If you play a cover in a bar, the establishment
is supposed to have paid their ASCAP or BMI fees in order for that to be legal and
possible.  I think that there is no such provision for YouTube, and that must be
the problem anyone has with it.

It doesn't make sense to me either because no money is being lost or made and
it isn't really a "public performance."  It seems to constitute "fair use." It also increases
awareness of the song.  I looked up a few things on line to see if I could find an
answer, but didn't find anything definitive.

This is just my educated guess. 

December 17, 2011
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Soundexchange is pretty good at collecting for internet plays. Do they collect for YouTube as well? If so...you'd literally be getting paid (albeit probably not much) for YouTube covers of your songs.

DEAN FIELDS

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I just reached out to a Lawyer to see if I can get him to do an interview. If he agrees I'll get everyone's questions for him in advance. Free legal advice, yeah!

Gotta get to the bottom of this one once and for all.

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December 18, 2011
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I dunno John....if I was a lawyer (and thank God I'm not!) I would be very nervous about giving a definite yes or no to this question! I will be very interested to hear what he/she has to say if they do agree to the interviewCool

What would a jam session with Gordon Lightfoot, Collective Soul, and Damien Rice sound like?

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Nah, that's a lawyers job 🙂

But the do definitely tend to be conservative. At the very least it will be nice to get the reality of the law and find out why so many people are getting away with it if it is in fact a violation.

I've already reached out to him, just trying to work it out.

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December 19, 2011
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Cool! As a side note, I made a Christmas CD a few years ago of familiar Christmas music and I didn't get permission for any of the songs. I usually just give it away so I wasn't to worried about it. But, a friend of mine who is a radio DJ said he had been playing it on the air, and was going to submit something about it for ratings week. I guess all radio stations do that once a year? Anyway, that worried me a bit so I asked him to not submit any info. I hope I don't need to get the name of that lawyer! 

What would a jam session with Gordon Lightfoot, Collective Soul, and Damien Rice sound like?

Check out Greg Parke and you’ll have a pretty good idea!

http://www.gregparkemusic.com

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Some traditional Christmas music may be so old that it is considered "public domain,"
in which case, you have nothing to worry about.  I don't recall if there is any
sort of notification process for works in the public domain.

You'd probably have a problem if you covered something modern like "Jingle Bell Rock."

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Greg Parke said:

Cool! As a side note, I made a Christmas CD a few years ago of familiar Christmas music and I didn't get permission for any of the songs. I usually just give it away so I wasn't to worried about it. But, a friend of mine who is a radio DJ said he had been playing it on the air, and was going to submit something about it for ratings week. I guess all radio stations do that once a year? Anyway, that worried me a bit so I asked him to not submit any info. I hope I don't need to get the name of that lawyer! 

Hey Greg, you can easily license anything that is not public domain very inexpensively here: http://www.songclearance.com/

If documented sales are low I would just go with the cheapest options (which I think start as low as $15).

I have no idea but I feel like it's a bit like taxes. File and under report and the worst that's gonna happen is you will owe a penalty. Don't file and you can get in a lot of trouble. But that is hardly sound legal advice 🙂

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December 30, 2011
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I agree John - I guess the luddites are alive and well in 2011!

John Oszajca said:

Mike Ippersiel said:

I recently got an email from a very concerned subscriber who applied for a mechanical license to do her version of a cover, but when she asked about doing a video on Youtube was flatly refused the option to do it.

That's a trip. It always surprises me that there are people out there that miss the boat so badly. A cover song is just advertising for the artist. Even if it's bad. I have people who have taken my actual sound recordings and thrown them up on youtube with pretty terrible visuals behind them. One of them has over 150,000 views. While I can imagine a few arguments against it, I think the positives FAR out way the negatives.

I'm especially shocked given that she applied for a license. Very odd to me.

I really am not clear on all the legalities, but one only needs to look at the hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of cover songs on youtube to realize that there is an angle there.

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John Oszajca said:

I just reached out to a Lawyer to see if I can get him to do an interview. If he agrees I'll get everyone's questions for him in advance. Free legal advice, yeah!

Gotta get to the bottom of this one once and for all.

Awesome idea John. Given the popularity of this thread, it's definitely a good idea to see if we can get some expert opinion on the Youtube cover phenomenon! Looking forward to finding out more about this.

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Looks like I really opened a can of worms with this topicLaugh

I know that at least several of the songs on my Christmas CD are not "public domain", so I should get permission for them. But seeing as how it is now January 2nd, I think I will put this on the back burner for a while!

What would a jam session with Gordon Lightfoot, Collective Soul, and Damien Rice sound like?

Check out Greg Parke and you’ll have a pretty good idea!

http://www.gregparkemusic.com

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