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Feedback and Thoughts After Completing MMM 4.0
September 17, 2017
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John,

Great course. Thank you. 

I wrote some text here, realized it didn't make sense, and tried to delete the post, but couldn't.

(If you didn't read it), bottom line; I l explained that I learned a lot in your MMM 4.0 course and was grateful. I did explain, however, that I hit a road bump in the FB advertising section. Perhaps I will learn a way to solve those challenges in the next (Facebook Ads) course.

Again, great MMM 4.0 Course!

All the best,

Dr. Pelè

September 18, 2017
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Hi Dr Pele,

Thanks for the kind words about the course. I didn't see any other message. I'm thinking perhaps you figured out how to delete/edit it since posting this? Regardless, if you have hit a roadblock or are having problems then I would start a thread describing the problem so we can offer suggestions on how to overcome it.

Thanks again.

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September 18, 2017
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Thanks, John.

I make a lot of mistakes, dude...rookie stuff. I tend to get excited, try something, goof it up, and try to clean up my mistakes and find out I can't!!Embarassed

Anyway, I think I have stumbled through it. I think I have some fundamental message-to-audience mismatch going on because my relevance scores are terrible. Highest has been a 5. Also, I initially tried worldwide / conversions and that was so goofy. Bad idea. I did get 6 signups from Indonesia and the Phillipines.Smile Anyway, I cloned and restarted on just US-Canada 'Traffic', and used the best performing search so far: Jason Mraz. (My James Taylor didn't work as well in comparison). Now I'm at a relevance of 3 and $1.22 per link click.

Bottom line, something is wrong, and I think it's my ad copy / landing page. Not sure. 

I had also asked if there was a way to get individualized help, but I recognize that you probably can't handle that in this format.

That was all.

Hopefully as I learn more in the next course, things will look better. (As long as the core problem isn't that my music sucks!)

Cool

Thanks.

September 19, 2017
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Hi Dr Pele,

Yeah, those relevancy scores are an indication that there is a problem with the ad copy, the targeting, or both. Feel free to post a screenshot of your ad here so we can offer suggestions.

I do offer phone consultations. I charge $197/hour but there is a $50 discount for IC and MMM members. But you are always free to post everything here and take advantage of the forum support that comes with your membership.

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September 19, 2017
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Hi John,

Thanks for your reply. Yeah...I am not going in the right direction at the moment. I will need to reconsider all of the elements you've highlighted. Here is what I tried this first time, with poor results:

  • Targeting (1): On my squeeze page, I likened my music to 'James Taylor', 'Jason Mraz' and 'Jimmy Cliff'. These sounded good at first, but I'm not so sure these are such good choices anymore. Anyway, in the Facebook ad manager, the 'Jason Mraz' audience had the best of the three responses. James Taylor was next, btw. But, after running for a few days, I was still at a very low relevancy score.
  • Targeting (2): With Jason Mraz, I initially targeted 'Worldwide' and got most of my traffic from the Phillipines and Indonesia. Not ideal. I then tried the US-Canada market and got very few responses. I then tried to niche down to a couple of cities here in my local area. Again, not much of a response. I therefore began to believe what you observed, that there is something fundamentally wrong with my message to market match. 
  • Message/Market Match: Here is the ad. I used the following 3 images. It seems that the one with the arms raised up and the blue with the guitar were the best. The dark one didn't work as well.Screen-Shot-2017-09-19-at-8.07.19-AM.pngImage EnlargerScreen-Shot-2017-09-19-at-8.06.43-AM.pngImage EnlargerScreen-Shot-2017-09-19-at-8.23.21-AM.pngImage Enlarger
  • Could there be a fundamental Music-to-Message match as well? As a refresher, here is my music on reverbnation:
September 20, 2017
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Thanks for posting the info.

I meant to say before, absolutely stay away from worldwide audiences. They are pretty useless. Starting with one's own country is the safest bet. If you live in the States I would also include Canada, and visa versa.

Its easy to say "I can see why that didn't work in hindsight" so take this all with a grain of salt, but to my mind the copy, and the basic message of the ad, seems to be an obvious problem.

You are targeting fans of various artists with a rather vague statement about how your music is happy. It's going to sound funny to word it this plainly, but that assumes that there are Jason Mraz, and James Taylor fans walking around out there thinking to themselves, "where are all the happy songs?". While those audiences may like happy songs, I don't believe that this is a conscious concern or interest of a significant number of people.

And the main text of the ad is actually a bit confusing. When I read "I got happy" might just make you, well...happy" I have to really work at understanding what you are saying. These people have no idea that is a song title. It;s just a bit clunky and unclear, in my opinion.

Instead you need to really tap into the experience that listeners of your target audience are consciously interested in and then align your music with those qualities.

And I also think that mentioning three very different artists just confuses rather than paints a picture of what you actually sound like.

I personally think the mashup between James Taylor and Jimmy Cliff paints a nice picture, and I think it will be more universally appealing to James Taylor fans than it will be to Jimmy Cliff fans.

I like the blue image the best, by far. It's up beat and I get a sense of who your are. The other two are way to obscured. I get that the one with your hands in the air did best for you so far, but I don't think that would hold up in time. I could be wrong.

If it were me I'd be trying something more like "Dr Pele is the perfect Mash up of James Taylor and Jimmy Cliff. His unique blend of World Music and laid back folky melodies are certain to warm the heart and leave you feeling inspired. Click to listen..."

Then I would target people who liked James Taylor as well as Jimmy Cliff. If that audience was too small I would target just people who like James Taylor. You could split test that against people who like Jason Mraz, just make sure n any case you are targeting people old enough to be fans of James Taylor. At least 30.

That's just a quick pass and who knows if it would work or not. But I think something like that is a lot clearer and speaks more directly to what we know your target audience is interested in, which is ultimately this smooth laid back folky pop thing. The Jimmy Cliff addition just makes it more interesting and is a nod to the islandy quality of your music.

But as always, that's just one guy's opinion. Testing is all that will tell you anything for sure. 

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September 20, 2017
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Wow, John,

Dude, you're incredible. This is a masterclass in marketing right here. THANK YOU so much for this feedback!

FYI, I will run an ad to try the suggestion you gave me and see what the numbers show...however, I think there is something else going on here. I think that beyond a mere message to market mismatch, there might be a music to message mismatch as well. And frankly, an overall career question to be answered. Am I a motivational speaker, or a musician, or a marketer, or a trainer, or all of them? Can I be all of them? Or is that unrealistic? As you've said, only the market can decide, so I'm going to go ask the market next.

Frankly, I think that one of the great things the old record companies did was artist development. It may have been brutal to get thrown out if the first record didn't 'blow up', but how different is that, really, from putting out an ad and having it bomb? You pull the ad and try again! 

I think I need to seriously go back and rethink WHO I am before I come out again. My leaning as of this moment is NOT to try to be a 'black' James Taylor or Jason Mraz, or a 'pop' Jimmy Cliff. I think I need to be Dr. Pelè, and I have to DEVELOP that brand.

I think that there is a market for the 'motivational musician', and I just have to go find it. If I go that route, it will be age-appropriate, and it will also reflect more fully what I do...the books, the motivational style songs etc. What I think I need to do is ask myself, "what are people willing to PAY for?" (You know, as they say, "health, wealth, relationships and hobbies?")

Personally, I think there is a market out there looking for motivation, that is equally appreciative of the music that might accompany it. Look at the Church model...it's been done before. And if you look at all the hurricanes, the threats of war, the pain people are feeling in their lives, today, there is a need for healing. Why not call Dr. Pelè? What if someone showed some empathy to THOSE people and developed a market that involved not only the traditional music approach, but also the speaker etc. I have seen a few examples of that, but I haven't seen huge success. It's worth a try. At least, it'll be better to be a pretty good Dr. Pelè, than a terrible James Taylor!

Thanks again for this great feedback. This is an INCREDIBLE class, and you're a great coach.

All the best,

Dr. Pelè

 

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September 25, 2017
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Thanks for the kind words Dr Pele. Glad the feedback was helpful. 

I'm not at all trying to pin you down as a "black James Taylor". Just trying to pin down the targeting. But I hear you.

I absolutely think you can be all of those things you mentioned. But I think that most of them are better done separate from the other.

For example, I currently generate income as a musician, a beer writer, and a music marketing consultant, but I don't market them as one. That said, there is plenty of room for crossover between them. 

I do think there is room for a motivational musician, but to my mind the approach there would be to market yourself in the motivational speaker world, as something unique. More So than as a musician.

Keep us posted on things.

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September 26, 2017
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John,

You really have a knack and a talent for seeing things clearly and helping others do so as well. Thank you for this advice. I think it's right on, and my next steps are going to benefit directly from the things you've taught. 

My layers of confusion need to be dealt with in separate areas before I can truly come out swinging. One of my challenges for example, is the need to earn money. I have a personal mind-block about the ability for musicians (who are 'only' musicians), to actually make any money. In as much as I want to believe it, I am so much more attracted to other ways of making money, such as speaking, coaching, training etc....even though my first and greatest love is music. I guess the problem I have is that making music that sits in my basement hurts me more than I can bear, hence it kills the love I have for music int he first place...hence the need to go get good at marketing!!!! 🙂

Anyway, long story short, I am currently learning a ton from you and other gurus, and I'm working on ways to do it all...be a musician, teach marketing, write my next book, all of it. At 52, I have this sneaky feeling lately that I won't live forever, so I'm going to do all I can and be all I can be to help others using the tools and knowledge I have (and hopefully make some money in the process).

Ok. I will stop here. I don't want to take up your time ranting. Please know, (per what you said above), that there is in fact, ONE area of work that you do, which you left out above...you are a:

  1. Musician
  2. Beer Writer
  3. Music Marketing Consultant to musicians and bands
  4. Music Marketing Coach to OTHER upcoming music marketing coaches.

You left out #4, (perhaps you don't like to market that), but I know personally that in our learning and development industry, we are (always) not only teaching our end clients, we are also training other trainers. In fact, one of the best way to know a good leader is if he/she develops OTHER leaders. I think it is good to accept this reality, (that there are leaders-in-training amongst your fanbase), and not have it be a surprise that many of one's students will in fact end up as future coaches and trainers...NOT by copying your I.P., but by being your apprentice and paying for learning from you in time and wages. I probably fall in that category as well. I see you as an EXCELLENT teacher, with a very measured tone, easy to learn from, and easy to want to 'hang out with'. You're kind of like a friend one has, but has never met. Very interesting.

So I mean all that as a compliment, but also as a way of letting you know, in all disclosure, that I've been on this journey for a long time, from my PHD, to attending Jeff Walker's stuff, to buying all of Kern's stuff, and Taki Moore's stuff, heck, I was even an Action Coach back in the day with Brad Sugars! So, my new book and other things I'm working on will all benefit from their teaching, and your teaching, and I want to thank you for what you bring as I focus more on my music career.

In fact, someday, I'm going to hit you up to be a guest in a podcast, and / or a reviewer of an upcoming book. And I hope I will have earned the right at that time to do so.

All the best,

Dr. Pelè

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September 27, 2017
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Hey Dr Pele,

Thanks for saying all of that. Very touching.

I especially like the part about feeling like you have a friend in me. That is what I endeavour to provide more than anything else, and I feel that many IC and MMM members are friends, based purely on our interaction here in the forum and in the comments on the site. It's been a very cool experience. If I won the lottery tomorrow and money was no longer a consideration, I would still continue to do, (at least a version) of what I do here with MMM. I genuinely find it rewarding.

Re: Your concerns about making money from music... You're not entirely off base. While my entire focus is on teaching musicians how to make money; music is one of the least lucrative spaces in the world, unless you truly cross over into super star territory. That doesn't mean you can't make money. I have had multiple MMM artists report 6 figure earnings using these strategies. But it will almost always be less than you could make if you focused your marketing skills on other products and in other areas. It really comes down to deciding to make music because you feel some inner calling to do so, regardless of income. But from there I think one should do all they can to make it viable, albeit with he full understanding that they could be making more money in other spaces if they wanted to. It's kind of like being a pro-bono lawyer. You know you could make more money if you went and practised corporate law, but you choose not to because the work you are doing is rewarding. I wrestle with this all the time. I think segmenting your different interests is the key, but you may have a better idea up your sleeve.

Hope that offers at least some food for thought.

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Thank you. I appreciate your response very much.

 

FYI ... This is the ad I want to run...which uses the advice you gave earlier.

https://www.facebook.com/drpel.....219609393/

Not sure if this is being shared, but it's basically my video on my LinkedIn Page:

https://www.facebook.com/drpelemusic

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By adding African to the copy it gives me the impression that you are making music with a more African Folk sound to it, which I haven't heard in your stuff. So if it was me I would remove that sentence.

I also probably wouldn't start with a video ad. They tend not to perform as well as images for all the reasons I've mentioned when talking about why we use squeeze pages in the first place. They tend to satisfy curiosity and leave the prospect not feeling like they need to keep digging to discover more.

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Ok...that makes sense. However, I'm starting to feel like I do need to add some 'African-ness' to my sound, which might mean different songs, mixes etc.

I should mention... the video features African dancers...hence the copy...

Anyway, I know these are outside of the scope of our discussion in your class, but these exercises also seem to have the benefit of really making one question one's core offering...

Still noodling just which direction to take...THANKS!!

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Yeah, I could see adding that to your sound as being a really cool addition. I still wouldn't start with the video. You could test it later, but my gut tells me that will hurt your ads as it kills all the mystery. I feel like it;s a little too much a little too soon. But I could always be wrong 🙂

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