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September 26, 2018
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Haha no worries, I didn't even notice. I probably do the same. Only difference is that I write about 10 words a day... that fail to entice.

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So I've just come up with these ad copy text ideas. You came up with the first few. If any elements or combinations thereof stand out to you, please let me know. I've changed the artist name to have a more distanced perspective from the copy. My idea with targeting 90's music isn't to target fans of grunge specifically but rather to do with the texture of that 90's sound. I still don't know what to use for the squeeze page headline. I guess if you think any of these are worth using I can slightly rephrase those into a SP headline.

1. Hank Fletcher’s music has been described as having "Convincing Clarity" by The Citizen. Click to listen to music from his unreleased debut album.
2. Hank Fletcher’s music marries the sounds and feelings of mid nineties grunge with modern sensibilities and themes
3. If you miss the raw, emotional sounds of mid-nineties rock music, then Hank Fletcher is a must have for your collection
4. Hank Fletcher will transport you to a drunken night at a dive bar in the mid 90’s
5. Hank Fletcher will transport you back to the nineties in the middle of a drunken night with your friends at a Dive Bar no ones ever heard of.
6. Hank Fletcher is a soulful singer-songwriter at first glance but once you have a listen you’d be convinced he was a mid 90’s alternative rock band
7. People Magazine once said ”His music will leave you with a smile” - Click to listen to this refreshing new alt-rock singer songwriter.
8. Hank Fletcher is a fresh and modern singer-songwriter with the feeling of a mid-nineties alternative rock band
9. Hank Fletcher combines fresh singer songwriter vibes with raw alternative-rock guitar solo’s that’ll leave you hanging on the edge.
10. Don’t you just miss the feeling when a new rock song came out in the 90’s? Hank Fletcher’s music is that feeling. Click to listen.
11. A split personality that can turn the dial from smooth singer-songwriter to energetic alternative rock
12. Hank Fletcher can turn the dial from smooth singer songwriter to energetic alternative rock quicker than you can click to listen..

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These are improving. Only thing I would say is that sometimes I just didn't know how what things like "Hank Fletcher will transport you to a drunken night at a dive bar in the mid 90’s" sounds like. Remember how I keep saying that the words have literal meanings and those are important. If you think that people are walking around craving the sounds and feelings of a "drunken night at a dive bar in the mid 90’s" then go with it. But that seems unlikely to me. I do get what you are going for, but I don't think it's quite universal or literal enough. But some of them are worth testing.

You also want to be careful not to just make your music sound dated. The references to the 90s work when they are combined with something new and fresh, in my opinion.

Having said all that, I think you really need to get out there and test. Run a dynamic creative campaign and just look for cheap clicks at this stage. Don't even worry about how the squeeze page converts just yet. Try 5 different angles with your ad text and see what rises to the top. The data will inform you much more than my guesses will.

Hope that helps.

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Hey John

I get that I need to test ad copy then once I have winning ad copy then incorporate that into the squeeze page. Problem is I don't know what to make the squeeze page to start off with. Just looking for something that'll convert better than my last campaign, which was between 3-5%. Even at the testing phase, that rate seems pretty dismal to me. I kept digging and came up with these. I think these may be a bit better.

13. Remember what the 90’s smelled like? Dig up those doc martins/all-stars, dust off your home stereo and rock out to this..
14. Remember what the 90’s smelled like? Dig up those doc martins/all-stars, blow the dust from that CD tray of your home stereo and rock out to this..
15. Dig up those doc martins, slice up those weathered old jeans and rock out to the raw, emotional sounds of an artist that injects a secret blend of fresh singer-songwriter and mid-nineties alternative rock
16. Dig up those doc martins, slice up those weathered old jeans and rock out to the raw, emotional sounds of an artist that can turn the dial from acoustic singer-songwriter to full blooded mid-nineties grunge.
17. Hank Fletcher captures the raw emotional sounds of 90’s alt rock with the vulnerability of an acoustic singer-songwriter
18. Hank Fletcher is a melting pot of 90’s grunge, acoustic singer-songwriter, glam rock and everything in between

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Hey Jean,

I'll be honest, I'm a little concerned that you are still not confident creating a squeeze page all these months and discussions into the process. 

It really is a testing process. 

As I've mentioned earlier, I would take your best stab at a headline and run a test campaign for traffic, using dynamic creative to test 5 different ad copy sets. Whichever one does best gives you an indicator of the theme that you target audience is responding to. You can then take that language and modify it slightly to be your squeeze page headline. the data can literally guide someone with no feel for this whatsoever.

Then you run another round of dynamic creative ads trying to beat your best performer. Once you do, you can modify your squeeze page again.

There is really no other way. You ether have the instincts or you test. Both paths can lead to winning copy.

I like 15 - 18 best. Any of those can work as ad copy or headlines. i also think my suggestions can work as well. You just make slight tweaks so that one reads like a Facebook Post and one reads like the heading of a squeeze page. Often those differences are very minimal. 

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John said: As I’ve mentioned earlier, I would take your best stab at a headline and run a test campaign for traffic, using dynamic creative to test 5 different ad copy sets. Whichever one does best gives you an indicator of the theme that you target audience is responding to. You can then take that language and modify it slightly to be your squeeze page headline. the data can literally guide someone with no feel for this whatsoever.

I get that but I thought you can only change your squeeze page headline after at least 5 days of testing, or did I misunderstand what you said. So I was looking for your opinion on what you think would be the best squeeze page headline for the first 5 days of testing from the options I sent you?

 

John said: I like 15 – 18 best. Any of those can work as ad copy or headlines. i also think my suggestions can work as well. You just make slight tweaks so that one reads like a Facebook Post and one reads like the heading of a squeeze page. Often those differences are very minimal.

When you say 'my suggestions can work as well', are you referring to these?

1. Hank Fletcher’s music has been described as having “Convincing Clarity” by The Citizen. Click to listen to music from his unreleased debut album.
2. Hank Fletcher’s music marries the sounds and feelings of mid nineties grunge with modern sensibilities and themes
3. If you miss the raw, emotional sounds of mid-nineties rock music, then Hank Fletcher is a must have for your collection

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John said: As I’ve mentioned earlier, I would take your best stab at a headline and run a test campaign for traffic, using dynamic creative to test 5 different ad copy sets. Whichever one does best gives you an indicator of the theme that you target audience is responding to. You can then take that language and modify it slightly to be your squeeze page headline. the data can literally guide someone with no feel for this whatsoever.

I get that but I thought you can only change your squeeze page headline after at least 5 days of testing, or did I misunderstand what you said. So I was looking for your opinion on what you think would be the best squeeze page headline for the first 5 days of testing from the options I sent you?

You can change a headline anytime you want. I'm trying to say that my guesses are only so valuable. And since we've been discussing it for so long, you are better off jumping in and testing. Your wining ad copy will tell you what headlines are likely to work best as it is very common for ad headlines and squeeze page headlines to be extremely similar.

If you want me to pick one I would go with 17. But I am not saying that will do best. I have gone over my approach in MMM. I come up with my USP and then alter that into a fan facing bold claim or promise that reads well as a headline. Then I test. I take cues from the results of my actual campaigns.

 

 

John said: I like 15 – 18 best. Any of those can work as ad copy or headlines. i also think my suggestions can work as well. You just make slight tweaks so that one reads like a Facebook Post and one reads like the heading of a squeeze page. Often those differences are very minimal.

When you say 'my suggestions can work as well', are you referring to these?

1. Hank Fletcher’s music has been described as having “Convincing Clarity” by The Citizen. Click to listen to music from his unreleased debut album.
2. Hank Fletcher’s music marries the sounds and feelings of mid nineties grunge with modern sensibilities and themes
3. If you miss the raw, emotional sounds of mid-nineties rock music, then Hank Fletcher is a must have for your collection  

Yes. I like 3 the best of those.

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Jean said: I get that but I thought you can only change your squeeze page headline after at least 5 days of testing, or did I misunderstand what you said. So I was looking for your opinion on what you think would be the best squeeze page headline for the first 5 days of testing from the options I sent you?

John said: You can change a headline anytime you want. I’m trying to say that my guesses are only so valuable. And since we’ve been discussing it for so long, you are better off jumping in and testing. Your wining ad copy will tell you what headlines are likely to work best as it is very common for ad headlines and squeeze page headlines to be extremely similar.

If you want me to pick one I would go with 17. But I am not saying that will do best. I have gone over my approach in MMM. I come up with my USP and then alter that into a fan facing bold claim or promise that reads well as a headline. Then I test. I take cues from the results of my actual campaigns.

Okay so if the squeeze page isn't converting even after the first day, I can then go in and change the SP headline to the current winning ad copy (with a slight variation of course) and keep doing this every day until conversions are high. I guess what you were saying before was not to change any elements of the ad, like the landing page, objective etc in the middle of the campaign.

 

Jean said: When you say ‘my suggestions can work as well’, are you referring to these?

1. Hank Fletcher’s music has been described as having “Convincing Clarity” by The Citizen. Click to listen to music from his unreleased debut album.
2. Hank Fletcher’s music marries the sounds and feelings of mid nineties grunge with modern sensibilities and themes
3. If you miss the raw, emotional sounds of mid-nineties rock music, then Hank Fletcher is a must have for your collection  

John said: Yes. I like 3 the best of those.

Great thank you.

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Jean said: I get that but I thought you can only change your squeeze page headline after at least 5 days of testing, or did I misunderstand what you said. So I was looking for your opinion on what you think would be the best squeeze page headline for the first 5 days of testing from the options I sent you?

John said: You can change a headline anytime you want. I’m trying to say that my guesses are only so valuable. And since we’ve been discussing it for so long, you are better off jumping in and testing. Your wining ad copy will tell you what headlines are likely to work best as it is very common for ad headlines and squeeze page headlines to be extremely similar.

If you want me to pick one I would go with 17. But I am not saying that will do best. I have gone over my approach in MMM. I come up with my USP and then alter that into a fan facing bold claim or promise that reads well as a headline. Then I test. I take cues from the results of my actual campaigns.

Okay so if the squeeze page isn't converting even after the first day, I can then go in and change the SP headline to the current winning ad copy (with a slight variation of course) and keep doing this every day until conversions are high. I guess what you were saying before was not to change any elements of the ad, like the landing page, objective etc in the middle of the campaign.

 

I don't know if I would necessarily do it every day, but you theoretically could, yes. What is most important is that you wait until you have enough visitors to be confident that there is some degree of statistical significance. I feel that this is around 100. However, there are times where you just know something is off and you can change it sooner. However, for example, 12 visitors is just not enough. You wouldn't have enough data to be confident n your changes. And you're correct, you don't really want to usually ever make changes to a live ad. There are exceptions to that rule but for now lets just keep it simple and stick with that.

Jean said: When you say ‘my suggestions can work as well’, are you referring to these?

1. Hank Fletcher’s music has been described as having “Convincing Clarity” by The Citizen. Click to listen to music from his unreleased debut album.
2. Hank Fletcher’s music marries the sounds and feelings of mid nineties grunge with modern sensibilities and themes
3. If you miss the raw, emotional sounds of mid-nineties rock music, then Hank Fletcher is a must have for your collection  

John said: Yes. I like 3 the best of those.

Great thank you.  

Good luck 🙂

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Awesome thanks

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Hi John

I've been reading through our conversation in this thread and I'm a bit torn between two Dynamic Creative approaches. You've suggested both options in this thread. Do I:

a) Create 3 duplicate ad sets targeting 3 different audiences right out the gate split testing the exact same copy and images on all ad sets.

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b) Create 1 ad set targeting 1 audience split testing copy and images, then once I have a clear winner, using that winning creative, start a fresh campaign with 2 or 3 identical ad sets except that each ad set is targeting a new audience. 

 

I've also decided that I want to change my objective to traffic as it seems like if my budget is $15 a day per ad set I'm going to have to spend hundreds just for testing purposes. The campaign is still in draft mode and is not live yet but it doesn't seem like I can change the objective even now. Do I need to delete this draft and start over? If I need to delete the draft and start over, once I change objective to traffic do I select 'landing page views' or 'link clicks' for optimisation?

 

Thanks John

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I haven't suggested either strategy as options right out of the gate.

What I have suggested is that when getting started you create three ad sets, each one targeting a different (single) target audience. In the ads you use dynamic creative to test 4 or 5 different creative assets for each item. When creating your second and third ad set you should duplicate the ad sets, only changing the targeting on each one. That way, the dynamic creative ads are identical on each. You run everything for 3 or 4 days or until you get a decent number of subscribers.

Then, you run a report and see which creative elements and which targeting options worked best, and you create a new campaign (pausing the old one) and you target your best performing audience with a new ad which uses only the best performing creative elements and targeting options (you do not use dynamic creative for this).

If you are happy with the prices you get you can duplicate the ad set and start testing new audiences, or wait until that ad set runs it's course and then start running it to new audiences. If the prices are too expensive, then you can go back to square one and try testing new dynamic creative elements against your best performers. Then rinse and repeat.

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Just noticed that I had not responded to the second part of your question... You cannot change an objective on an ad. You would need to start over.

It's recommended that if you have less than $10 to spend per day (per ad set) that you go with traffic. Traffic tends not to convert as well, but what you could do is let it run to figure out which audience at least gets the cheapest clicks. Then, after a few days, you could turn off that campaign and create a new one where the objective is conversions, but only go after a single ad set at $15/day. 

You would go with landing page views instead of website clicks.

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John Oszajca said
I haven't suggested either strategy as options right out of the gate.

What I have suggested is that when getting started you create three ad sets, each one targeting a different (single) target audience. In the ads you use dynamic creative to test 4 or 5 different creative assets for each item. When creating your second and third ad set you should duplicate the ad sets, only changing the targeting on each one. That way, the dynamic creative ads are identical on each. You run everything for 3 or 4 days or until you get a decent number of subscribers.

Then, you run a report and see which creative elements and which targeting options worked best, and you create a new campaign (pausing the old one) and you target your best performing audience with a new ad which uses only the best performing creative elements and targeting options (you do not use dynamic creative for this).

If you are happy with the prices you get you can duplicate the ad set and start testing new audiences, or wait until that ad set runs it's course and then start running it to new audiences. If the prices are too expensive, then you can go back to square one and try testing new dynamic creative elements against your best performers. Then rinse and repeat.

Cheers.  

So I created a new dynamic creative campaign with traffic as objective ($5 a day). All I did was create one ad set targeting Blind Melon fans. I then duplicated that ad set creating 2 identical copies of that ad set. I then only changed the interest in each copied ad set to 2 new audiences. Obviously one audience per ad set. I hope I did the correct thing in selecting "Use existing campaign" when duplicating the ad set (see attached). Thanks for the clear instructions in this post. Really appreciate it. 

 

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No problem. And yep. You have done it correctly. That is exactly how I do it. Now you are just looking for cheap clicks to find an audience that engages. One you have that you can turn off the campaign and concentrate your budget on a new "conversion" based campaign. Good luck.

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Hi John

Just thought I'd give you an update after about 26 hours of the campaign running. I thought it would be best if I just upload a screenshot of the ad manager. Out of the 3 ad sets I've spent about $17 and only got 1 lead. I haven't run a report yet. Should I keep the campaign going for a few more days to gather data? I know you said to run this campaign with no regard for how the squeeze page converts. Is it too early to run a report and then adjust the SP accordingly? Here's the SP jeanmorrisonmusic.com/free-music

 

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Again, what you are looking for are low cost per clicks right now, not subscribers, even thought that is the long term goal. Ideally I would let it run longer as your best performer in terms of clicks has only received 20 clicks. It is recommended that you let any ad run for 3 - 5 days to let Facebook's algorithm do it's thing. You do tend to see a lot of volatility in that time. Right now Jeff Buckley is your best performer with .28 cents per click. If that holds up then you can turn things off and create a new campaign targeting Jeff Buckly fans, but with conversions as the objective. 

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And in the mean time while facebook's algorithm is doing its thing I can keep tweaking the squeeze page to the elements that are working in the ad?

During this time, I was thinking it might be a good idea to run as clean a split test as possible when adjusting the squeeze page. (Rather than adjusting everything at once). Although every day on fb is different so I cant be sure how to run a clean test like this. So far I have only changed the image of my SP to the best performing image in the fb ads. It doesn't seem to have made much of a difference conversion wise although I only made the change last night. I was thinking to adjust the headline next. But then there's also the white versus dark/designed background test, which I still have no idea how to reliably split test. If you have a lesson on this, could you point me in the right direction. 

So far the SP is converting at 1.2%. 

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