Hey John, in the recent lesson about house concerts you mentioned the strategy of adding house concerts to your funnel, in order to drive your subscriber value up immensely.
Just to clarify, did you mean literally adding an automated house concert email to the initial funnel, like perhaps 2 or three months after they sign up with you?
Or did you mean just email your list in real time like once, maybe twice a year?
Great lesson, thanks man!
Great question Brian. To be honest, I have suggested doing it both ways. But I think the best way to do it is to reserve it for a real time promotion and just run it once or twice a year, completely separate from the automated funnel.
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Hi John, hope you're fantastic man. So I've got a couple people interested in house concerts, and I want to negotiate pricing confidently and easily. For a solo artist bringing a PA, the numbers 200, 250 or even 300 (or more eventually) as a flat rate come to mind, but do you have any suggestions or words to the wise on a different strategy like charging a lower price, and then asking them to make a speech to their guests to pass around the hat or something like that?
Or also another common thing like if they ask for specific songs do I just be cool and learn them at no extra charge, or have a system in place where I charge more for that? I know none of these questions have hard and fast answers, but I'd be happy to hear your thoughts, best practices or any suggestions you know from Shannon Curtis or the singer from Verve Pipe on these matters. Thanks man!
Hello Brian,
I hope you are well. I thought I would jump in here and share my experience.... I've done several house concerts over the years. They are always a lot of fun and quality shows to do. I like doing them a lot. In a nutshell, what I've learned is to really know how your host is dealing with things + what are your goals.
I make a living playing music and can't afford to play for "free" (unless it's a charity or for special occasions of course...). At the beginning I've did house concerts where the guests didn't understand that and I was just passing the hat. It didn't work great. Also you don't always know how many people are going to show up. I didn't make much money compared to the time I spent playing. I think mostly because the people that were there didn't really understand how it worked. I've also done a system where it's a donation from the crowd. There also from my experience, it didn't work great either because some people where just there to party and come to a BBQ not really listent to music (but I've read some things where some artists think differently and like to work on a donation basis).
Now I try to understand why the host is having a house party. Some people do that regularly, some people are huge fans of mine and want their friends to see me play, or some want to celebrate a birthday. If you ask for a flat fee, the host is taking more responsibility for the organization of the event and people don't have to pay.
Here are a few tips:
- Define your goals (make some money, or maybe make new fans while playing a quality concert, where people listen)
- Explain to the host what your goals are
- Understand why your host is having a house concert and how many people he thinks will come.
- Have they already hosted a house party before.
- Educate your host on how a house concert works. There are a lot of resources out there (like this pdf guide: http://www.concertsinyourhome......urces.html)
- It does help to have the host say you have CDs for sale, etc...
Again this is only based on my experience so it might work differently for other artists.
Good luck and have fun!
Eric John Kaiser
"French Troubadour"
http://www.ericjohnkaiser.com
Hi Eric, thank you for jumping in and offering fantastic feedback. I checked out link you offered and will def. browse it more. I particularly appreciate your suggestion of really knowing why the host is throwing the concert, thats is some useful common sense that is often overlooked, and it definitely shed light on my POV. Thanks again man, I appreciate it.
Hi Eric,
Thanks for sharing your insight and experience. Really great stuff. It's nice to have someone here who has experienced some of the pitfalls and how to avoid them.
Cheers!
Hey Brian,
My apologies for not replying sooner. Somehow this got marked as read and I didn't see it until just happening by it in the forum.
Eric has some great advice.
In my experience, both performing house concerts and dealing with a lot of artists who have done really well with them, you want to promote this like any other product.
I would send out a few emails to your list explaining that you are going to be doing a house concert, explain how it works, explain the time frame, really sell how cool the experience will be, and let people know that spots are limited. I would NOT mention a specific price but I would give a ballpark. For example, I have a friend who charges about $1000/show and he tells people in his initial announcement that fees will depend on location, travel times. etc, but "think, the price of a large appliance". And then he tells people to get in touch if they would like to book a show at their home or location and someone from your team will be in touch. It could be as simple as hit reply and send me your phone number and location. Then you take all of the requests that come in and line them up into something that makes sense in terms of a travel plan. I would email everyone several times just like a normal promo.
Start contacting people and quoting prices based on travel expenses. For example, if it's only an hours drive you could charge $300. If it's in Alaska you could tell them that your fee is only $300 but they would need to also cover a flight and lodging which would come to XXX amount. Likewise, if you get an offer for multiple shows in the same location you can drop prices. That same friend of mine tries to do two shows a day when he does it, and he charges less for the times that are less than ideal. He performs for an hour and hangs out for an hour and explains that going in. It's a balancing act no matter what. Sometimes people have less money but can bring a good crowd. You way the risks and charge accordingly.
Then email again to try and fill any holes after your initial schedule is planned.
But what Eric says is also smart. Explain to your host that you will be selling CDs and it would be great if they would MC before and after and ask that people consider picking up your CD. You tend to sell a lot this way. I had a band perform at a house party of mine and about 50% of the people there bought a CD for $15.
Aside from that I think it's just like selling at any show. Mention it a few times during the set. Tell people they can grab one from you after the show. Then hang out and chat for an hour or so.
But I personally think the only way to approach house concerts is to get a guarantee. I would think $200 - $300 would be the minimum. I've had a few MMM members report success at the $500 mark. You might start smalljust to see what's possible and then raise your prices next year. The idea would be to do this annually. It's also a safe bet that you will sell a decent amount of CDs, so to some extent you can factor that in. Just be conservative with your estimates and realistic with your travel expense projections.
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Love this advise John. Sorry for getting to this so late. Some personal things popped up so I've spent the last couple weeks dealing with those things but at any rate - this is very cool. I unfortunately mentioned 300 to a couple people I've been dealing with, so I was stuck with that price point before reading your suggestion of leaving it open and saying "think household appliance." That's smart. The vibe I got from long time followers was that I should charge more than 300. But the vibe I'm getting from new fans is that 300 is about right. Any ethical advice on charging one fan more than another for basically the same show? My gut tells me not to do it, but maybe I'm being naive.
No worries Brian, I know how that goes.
I don't think you've done any harm starting with $300. I think starting low is always a good bet. It's much easier to raise your prices than it is to drop them/ My strategy has always been to charge as little as I can to make a situation work and be profitable and work towards building demand to the point that I need to raise my prices to qualify buyers. Also keep in mind the "household appliance" example was with an artist that planned on charging about $1000 per gig. You might use a different example so as not to scare people off since you are charging less right now.
I wouldn't personally have a plan to charge one group one price and another group a different price. Instead I would start with a figure in mind that will cover your costs and make it worth while, but then negotiate individually based on circumstance. If you have a gig in San Diego and then a second person inquires about a gig in San Diego but backs away because of price, you can always follow up and explain that you have a gig in there town on Saturday and if they'll take Saturday at lunchtime or Sunday then you can do it for 40% off (or whatever). That way your price cuts are based on a very real equation and nothing arbitrary, and everything is based on you going into it with a general fee price that is based on what you really need to make ends meet.
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