Hi guys,
I created myself a squeeze page and sent it out today to my friends on facebook. One problem I see is with my actual subscriptions or email I get added to my list with Aweber which is who I use for my form. So I created this page http://www.jamesmichael.us/ind.....;Itemid=87
I then see people post, how they like the song etc.. However when I look in aweber I don't see anyone's email address. Because they actually have to click a link in a email they receive after the fact that they got the download. I want make it easy for the users to get the download, so they fill out my form and then are kicked to a thank you page which has the link for the download.However they are then sent a email from aweber asking them to confirm and only after they do this are their names added to my subscription list.
Is there any way to make it so they fill out the form and I automatically get their email address and they don't have to confirm anything? Does anyone have an experience with this?
Thank you
The way it should be set up is that a person signs up and then they get forwarded to a page that says thanks, here's what's going to happen next. Check your email for a confirmation link to confirm that you are a real human... or something like that. Then you set your success page (the page they get redirected to AFTER they confirm), to have the download link on it.
You would also create a welcome email to go out which would have the download link as well. You'll still see that a percenatge of people don't follow through. But at least 80% of them should, probably more.
Hope that helps.
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Hey Jim,
It sounds like what's happening is people are getting the track without confirming. The trick here is that you want them to confirm first, otherwise they get the track and disregard the confirmation part.
So definitely do what John is suggesting by having a thank you page with explicit instructions.
"Great! I just sent you your special download link. Check your email now and click the link to get your free track!"
I'm also thinking that people might be a bit confused too because your page auto-plays a track, so maybe people are commenting without even signing up at all.
Also, I was just looking at your page and I think you'll see better results if you really make the instructions above your sign-up form a little more prominent. It may sound like over-kill, but the more specific you can be with what you want people to do, the more likely they are to do it. "Hey! Sign Up Here For Your Free Track"
People will be like... "Oh, okay!"
Seriously 🙂
Nice job.
Steve Rodgers said:
Hey Jim,
It sounds like what's happening is people are getting the track without confirming. The trick here is that you want them to confirm first, otherwise they get the track and disregard the confirmation part.
So definitely do what John is suggesting by having a thank you page with explicit instructions.
"Great! I just sent you your special download link. Check your email now and click the link to get your free track!"
I'm also thinking that people might be a bit confused too because your page auto-plays a track, so maybe people are commenting without even signing up at all.
Also, I was just looking at your page and I think you'll see better results if you really make the instructions above your sign-up form a little more prominent. It may sound like over-kill, but the more specific you can be with what you want people to do, the more likely they are to do it. "Hey! Sign Up Here For Your Free Track"
People will be like... "Oh, okay!"
Seriously 🙂
Nice job.
Hey Steve, Thanks for the tips, I have change the form a bit, taken out the music to take away from any confusion, and added the page where it tells them to goto there email etc.. If you would'nt could you check it again when you have some time and let me know what you think. http://www.jamesmichael.us/ind.....;Itemid=87
Thanks alot!
Jim
Hi Jim,
I checked out your squeeze page, good job! The only suggestion I would offer, (and I have picked up on this from other discussions in the Insiders Circle) would be to drop the message below your webform about "respecting your privacy". That is pretty much an accepted concept these days, so why remind potential subscribers of something negative, that you wouldn't abuse anyway? I need to do some work on my squeeze page too, eliminating a similar message! I'm not getting the response from my squeeze page that I had hoped, and I think that may be part of the problem.
Other than that, I really like your squeeze page. Please keep us posted about the response you get
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Greg Parke said:
Hi Jim,
I checked out your squeeze page, good job! The only suggestion I would offer, (and I have picked up on this from other discussions in the Insiders Circle) would be to drop the message below your webform about "respecting your privacy". That is pretty much an accepted concept these days, so why remind potential subscribers of something negative, that you wouldn't abuse anyway? I need to do some work on my squeeze page too, eliminating a similar message! I'm not getting the response from my squeeze page that I had hoped, and I think that may be part of the problem.
Other than that, I really like your squeeze page. Please keep us posted about the response you get
Hi Greg,
Good advice, I took out that bit in the form, have a look http://www.jamesmichael.us/ind.....;Itemid=87
I am also not getting the response I had hoped from my squeeze page. I have not even got one person to sign up:) I have started to run advert using reverbnation via facebook which has been running now for about 12 hours or so, and still not one person has sign up. If anyone knows some ideas to actually get people to sign up on from a squeeze page I am open for suggestions.
Thanks
Jim
Hey Jim,
Don't get discouraged if new signups don't come in right away…..it can take a while to get the word out and build up your sales funnel to direct traffic to your squeeze page. Your page has a warm, friendly feel to it, and I would imagine once you start getting more traffic to your site you will get signups.
I have been using twitter to direct traffic to my squeeze page, and getting some results. About every 3rd message is a direct invite to my squeeze page, and I sign every tweet with my url to my squeeze page. As my twitter following grows, so does my sales funnel.
At live gigs I have a sign up sheet that I use to get names and email addresses, and I also have oversized business cards on my merch table with the words "Free Music Download" in large red letters, with a brief message about signing up, and the url to my squeeze page. Sometimes people are more comfortable taking those cards and signing up later, rather than displaying thier Email address on a signup sheet.
Also whenever I send out any kind of a music related email, below my closing signature, I include the url to both my squeeze page and my website. Sometimes I will only use the url to just my squeeze page if that seems more appropriate.
I haven't tried article marketing yet…….just been to busy with road gigs, building my new website..I also need to amp up my facebook marketing. Also like I mentioned, your page has a warm feel to it, mine doesn't. I'm thinking that the colors I used for my webform clash with the rest of the page, a small issue, but I'm learning it can make a difference!
When I came out with my first CD, I bought the equipment needed to produce my own CD's, rather than have them done by an outside company. (I am a hopeless "do it yourselfer"!) Not sure if this was a smart move or not, but it gave me some options. Now when I make a run of CD's, I insert a coupon inside the CD case, offering a free track if they sign up through my squeeze page. I don't know if an outside company would do that or not, but you could have the message included somewhere in your CD artwork. You won't get tons of signups this way, because they have to buy your CD before they get the offer, but hey, a fan is a fan! Every signup is another potential customer.
My size of my list is far from what I want it to be, but I am confident that it will continue to grow, and accelerate as I get more followers, use more methods, and fine tune what I am doing. I know these methods work. In just a few months, my new list is almost as large as my previous list, and I worked on that list for about 10 years!
I know some of my methods are pretty "small potatoes" compared to what John teaches in MMM 2.0. His methods, (like what I am trying to do with twitter) are geared for expotential growth, something I really never focused on before. If you haven't already taken MMM 2.0, I strongly recommend it!
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Hey Jim,
The purpose of that squeeze page is to convert visitors into subscribers by making them an offer to get something for free in exchange for contact info. The average squeeze page, meaning a new, untested one like yours, may not immediately yield the results you're hoping for. But also it's a numbers game.
So let's say it converts at 10%. Then you would need 100 visitors to get 10 sign-ups.
So for now, you should just be sending as many people as you can to the page, but also measuring how many people you have sent to the page.
This can be done by adding analytics to your website. It's free and you can get them at http://www.google.com/analytics/
Once you can see how many people are actually coming to the site, compared to how many people are signing up, you'll have a better idea of how that page is actually performing for you.
I actually posted a thread about analytics this week that should clarify some of this for you.
-Steve
Hey Jim,
My first question is "How many people have come to your page since you required the download?"
You need to know that exact number. Even with a page that converts badly, it should be at least 10%.
I have seen too many people send 5 people there and be disappointed by results. Don't make any conclusions until you send 200 unique people there which you can track and confirm.
You said that people were signing up before, just not confirming because you were giving them the song to soon. That suggests that it's not the squeeze page but rather the confirmation process.
I signed up and went through the whole process. If I'm to be blunt... I think your squeeze page looks fine but the copy could be improved a little and instructions could be a tad clearer. You'd be surprised how much help some people need. You might also lead with your "if you like" headline and then follow up with the free download info as a sub headline. It puts the benefit first and that is typically more powerful. The instructions on your thank you page could also be a little more detailed. But the thing that needs to be changed right away is that your confirmation email headline says "confirm your subscription". People are afraid of subscriptions because they often cost money. Change the headline to something like... "Response Required: Please confirm that you would like to receive your free download."
In the body of the email you just say "now that we know you are human click here". I realize this is along the lines of what I said above, but I was expecting you to expand on that. It sounds a bit odd with just that one sentence. Try something more like... Thanks for requesting your free download of "------song name-----". It's just one click away. Please confirm that I have your permission to send you the download link by clicking the link below...", or something like that. Step by step, clear, and make sure it doesn't make teh person nervous that they just stepped into a big old pile of spam.
Hope I'm not coming off as negative. Just trying to be direct. And remember, this is just one guys opinion.
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Hi John and Everyone, please don't worry about offending me or being negative. I am very happy for everyone's help in this forum. I know that we are all musician tring to accomplish some of the very same goals and am happy to have found you and this forum.
With that said, I have change all the text and the confirmation email to read as you suggested. One issue I had was being familiar with the aweber, I knew that the confirmation subscription is scary as I myself would not click any further if I read that, but I did not relize you could change this text, I thought they had to confirm this change.
In general I don't really like the whole process, I myself would not go and check my email etc... I think it should be that they just fill in there email and get the song, but this does not register them in aweber.
I am still wait for google analytics to kick in, so I don't how many people have landed on the page, but I did get two sign up so far, and this was due to Twitter traffic.
Jim P said:
In general I don't really like the whole process, I myself would not go and check my email etc... I think it should be that they just fill in there email and get the song, but this does not register them in aweber.
I am still wait for google analytics to kick in, so I don't how many people have landed on the page, but I did get two sign up so far, and this was due to Twitter traffic.
I know this stuff seems counter-intuitive at first Jim, but you can't lose sight of the goal here... which is actually selling music.
You can set up aweber so that people don't have to confirm, but here's the risk you run when you do that...
Some people are "form-fillers". They do it for the sake of doing it. They may take your free track, but if for some reason they don't like it, they won't open any of your emails and they may even go as far as to report you for spam (I know, get a life right?). When you force them to double opt-in, you are asking them to actually go inside their email account and PROVE that they own it. Now this doesn't mean that they will like your music or open any future emails, but you won't lose your aweber account for spamming people.
Secondly, people will not usually buy your music the first time you offer the cd to them. Some of them will have to see your offer a few times before they go ahead and buy it. This is why having permission to email them is sooooooo important. It assures you that you will have the opportunity to put your cd offer in front of them over and over again until they buy it.
Obviously not everyone is going to give up their contact information... that's to be expected. You'll find however, a good number of people will have no problem with that at all. And if your messages are engaging without being totally self-serving, people will be open to the interaction with you and actually be appreciative of it.
Permission-based email marketing allows you to not only control the interaction with your subscribers, but also build a mutually rewarding relationship with them. The ones who buy from you will be more likely to buy from you again and again and they are the people you will want to focus your energy on the most. It's proven itself time and time again to be true.
Hang in there and just keep sending people over to the page! You already got two, who's to stop you from having 200... 2000? 🙂
Steve Rodgers said:
Jim P said:
In general I don't really like the whole process, I myself would not go and check my email etc... I think it should be that they just fill in there email and get the song, but this does not register them in aweber.
I am still wait for google analytics to kick in, so I don't how many people have landed on the page, but I did get two sign up so far, and this was due to Twitter traffic.
I know this stuff seems counter-intuitive at first Jim, but you can't lose sight of the goal here... which is actually selling music.
You can set up aweber so that people don't have to confirm, but here's the risk you run when you do that...
Some people are "form-fillers". They do it for the sake of doing it. They may take your free track, but if for some reason they don't like it, they won't open any of your emails and they may even go as far as to report you for spam (I know, get a life right?). When you force them to double opt-in, you are asking them to actually go inside their email account and PROVE that they own it. Now this doesn't mean that they will like your music or open any future emails, but you won't lose your aweber account for spamming people.
Secondly, people will not usually buy your music the first time you offer the cd to them. Some of them will have to see your offer a few times before they go ahead and buy it. This is why having permission to email them is sooooooo important. It assures you that you will have the opportunity to put your cd offer in front of them over and over again until they buy it.
Obviously not everyone is going to give up their contact information... that's to be expected. You'll find however, a good number of people will have no problem with that at all. And if your messages are engaging without being totally self-serving, people will be open to the interaction with you and actually be appreciative of it.
Permission-based email marketing allows you to not only control the interaction with your subscribers, but also build a mutually rewarding relationship with them. The ones who buy from you will be more likely to buy from you again and again and they are the people you will want to focus your energy on the most. It's proven itself time and time again to be true.
Hang in there and just keep sending people over to the page! You already got two, who's to stop you from having 200... 2000? 🙂
Hi Steve, Thanks alot for the help. I am tring my best and will keep running ads and trying to drive traffic will keep you guys post with any progress.
Jim
Jim P said:
In general I don't really like the whole process, I myself would not go and check my email etc... I think it should be that they just fill in there email and get the song, but this does not register them in aweber.
I am still wait for google analytics to kick in, so I don't how many people have landed on the page, but I did get two sign up so far, and this was due to Twitter traffic.
Hey Jim,
The process may seem a bit cumbersome but it hasn't ever proven to be much of an issue. About 80 - 90% of the people who enter their info follow through. Like Steve said, you CAN set it to be a single opt in where they don't have to check their email. But it doesn't establish an audit trail, you won't be able to move your list to another company that requires double opt-ins, and over time your open rates will go down as your reputation with the email providers diminishes. Still, there are times to consider this. I sometimes do it. But for now I would strongly recommend the double opt in.
You mentioned above that you are running paid ads. Tread carefully. If you are having trouble with your conversions it's best to start with free methods. You throw money at your offer AFTER it converts and you have some data to work with.
There is nothing wrong with paid ads now, I just want you to be clear on the risk.
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Agreed. Paid ads get fast results... even if they are bad results. I've had my share of both.
Steve Rodgers said:
Agreed. Paid ads get fast results... even if they are bad results. I've had my share of both.
Hey guys, yes I wanted to try some paid adverts to see how my squeeze page and song would do, and I must say I think I am a failure really 🙂 I paid $20 for a straight Facebook advert that goes to my page and as well a ad ran through reverbnation which also runs on facebook for $25. I have a whopping 3 signs ups after these ads. I actually cancelled them because I figures $45 is enough money to through away. So I am afraid I am not convinced this squeeze page thing really works, unless you have tons of cash to through at it. I also took the opt-in option out of the mix, but I think I will put it back in as I don't think it made any difference if it was in or not. The results was people click on my advert, but hardly nobody was following through and downloading the song.
Thanks
jim
Hey Jim,
Sorry to hear it's not going so well for you but I can assure you that the squeeze page absolutely works. This forum is filled with people who are using, and succeeding with this technique. This isn't something I invented. It's an EXTREMELY proven method of capturing leads, and it works regardless of whether you are paying for advertising or using free methods.
The bottom line is that if your conversion rate is bad, you need to work on your copy and maybe examine your traffic sources. You also need to take a good look at your stats.
You mentioned for a good portion of the time people were signing up but not confirming because you offered the track before they were required to confirm. That sort of proves it works. I've never seen anyone get less than a 75% confirmation rate. It just sounds like most of your traffic was coming in before you changed things up.
My recommendation would be to reset your stats and go back to the MMM course material and start over. You will see subscribers as a result. If you are not seeing subscribers, change your traffic strategy. If the conversion rate is lower than it should be, change your copy on your squeeze page until it improves. If you are not selling copies then tweak your email copy until you start to see sales. It takes work but once this stuff is in place your fan base will start to grow in leaps and bounds.
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One thing I could suggest that John may have already covered is changing your sign up
form message to say: "Hey! Fill in your name and email below to get your free track!"
As it reads now, it's not entirely clear that filling out the form = getting the free track.
Also, be patient. I wrote a couple of articles and had a little bit of success, but when a
friend of mine, who understood how to target Twitter followers got that going for me,
I started seeing daily sign-ups come in. My list is now up to 62 subscribers with about
a 25% open rate. I am also running a PPC campaign on Facebook, but I have my
budget set at $1 a day, it is very targeted, and I get a few click throughs every day.
If you are going to run a Facebook campaign, I suggest doing it this way, but you have
to know your market, which requires knowing what artists you remind people of.
The more targeted your are the more efficient your campaign is and the more likely
you are to get fans/customers. And as Steve said on another thread, "ultimately your
market is people have bought something similar to what you are offering."
So finding out who those people are and driving them to your squeeze page is a big part
of the equation.
Hang in there Jim. Take some solace in the fact that you are ten steps ahead on the curve compared to most of your competitors, just by knowing what a squeeze page is and does.
The rest is just tweaking it until it yields results you are happy with. Don't be afraid to ask questions, that's what this forum is for. The "share your music" forum also has links to the squeeze pages of the other artists in here. Look at some examples of the copy to see which type of communication resonates the most with you.
It's nice to have someone else's work to use as a template, but in the end this is about communicating with an audience, in your own voice.
Like John mentioned, once you get your squeeze page to convert a little better, then paid ads may be a smash success for you.
Steve Rodgers said:
Hang in there Jim. Take some solace in the fact that you are ten steps ahead on the curve compared to most of your competitors, just by knowing what a squeeze page is and does.
The rest is just tweaking it until it yields results you are happy with. Don't be afraid to ask questions, that's what this forum is for. The "share your music" forum also has links to the squeeze pages of the other artists in here. Look at some examples of the copy to see which type of communication resonates the most with you.
It's nice to have someone else's work to use as a template, but in the end this is about communicating with an audience, in your own voice.
Like John mentioned, once you get your squeeze page to convert a little better, then paid ads may be a smash success for you.
Hey Steve, Thanks dude, to be honest before I started this program I did'nt know what a squeeze page either 🙂
I will certainly be reading more people copy and trying to find my way in the marketing Jungle 🙂