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February 29, 2012
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Hi John, I've come up with a title for my site which uses my keywords and is available. The term itself is a low competition highly searched term, according to the google keywords tool (at least as I understand how to use it!?) Let's say the title I'm targeting is hip-hop-downloads. When I google it, there appears to be @ 6 mil results for In Title but the sites that come up are not focused on it as their main theme. They have a page devoted to it or to something related... on wikipedia or amazon for example: http://www.amazon.com/hip-hop-downloads

So I'm confused about whether to look at the fact that these are major authority sites or whether to look at the fact that these sites are not devoted to the topic, to determine whether I have a shot at ranking. Also wondering whether it matters if you put a dash between words?

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February 29, 2012
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Also, quick SEO question: Sometimes I'll enter a keyword and the google tool will come up with a variation like "how can I hear more hip hop" and it will be listed as a low competition broad search term with a couple hundred thousand searches, monthly. But it either won't come up as an exact phrase or will be listed as 8 or something. So google has fed me this search phrase in it's entirety but it sounds like you're saying that even though google is feeding me the phrase, when it's listed under broad search, that mean the words in the phrase can be all out of order and/or some of the words missing entirely. Am I understanding that correctly? Is that why searching in Broad mode isn't a true test for the value of a phrase? I'm trying to figure out why google would feed me a complete phrase I hadn't thought of it it wasn't an exact phrase... hope this question makes sense...

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February 29, 2012
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I'm a little unclear about these things as well.

March 3, 2012
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Hey Julianna,

 

When you say 6 million in title results, do you mean you are running a search like this: intitle:"hip hop downloads". If so, that competition is way to steep. Are you searching in quotes or just searching?

As for the balance between an untargeted site and an authority site, it kind of depends. There is a bit of feel involved when you do these things but as a general rule if I was going to build my own authority site I would not be afraid of sites like amazon if the results weren't very targeted. But if I was just throwing up a quick mini site I would be a bit. It would also be a balancing act between those factors and the competition/search totals.

As for the disparity between broad and phrase results, that is sort of a new thing. i have been seeing that as well and I'm honestly not 100% sure what is going on there. I would personally trust the phrase and exact results more. I am wondering if google has started showing results based on their add network algorithm rather than the true organic search activity. That wouldn't surprise me. If that is the case then phrase and exact would be much more accurate.

If you are considering creating a huge authority site and really want to make sure it's worth it, one thing you can do is run a brief Google adwords campaign and bid pretty high to assure you are on the first page. Then you can look at the impressions you get over a 24 hour period and know exactly what kind of traffic is out there. Just make sure you have the content network turned off. It will also give you an indication of how profitable a keyword is.

It might cost you $100 but it could also save you 6 months worth of work if it turns out the keyword is a dud.

I had that happen with Music Marketing Manifesto. Google insists there is a lot of traffic out there for music business and music marketing. I built my site around those keywords and I now dance around in the top 5 for both. The traffic is just a few dozen clicks  day from those keywords. Thankfully SEO is not my only traffic strategy for MMM. But I do wish I knew that going in.

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Julianna,

For the most part, yes, you're exactly right about the broad match.  You could research something like 'enjoy back flips' and find broad match has a gazillion searches and no competing sites.  People constantly search each individual word and all three, but no one actually searches the phrase, so phrase match would be low and probably is not worth chasing.

There may be a few sites that actually rank for the phrase, but who's searching for it? 

March 5, 2012
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Hi John,

 

When I search In Title with the exact phrase in quotations, 6 results come up. I guess I'm confused about how to truly assess the value of "hip-hop downloads" or "enjoy back flips" and I'm wondering how important it is to get a complete phrase for your site title that's highly searched low competition vs. just including the most important term in the title, i.e. hip hop or back flips. Like, what's the benefit of hip hop downloads vs. hip hop julianna raye for a site title? I was considering a mini-site actually.

 

Many thanks and sorry I'm a bit thick about this,

Julianna

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Hey Julianna,

I'm a little confused. I searched intitle:"hip-hop downloads" and got 862,000 results. That is very competitive.

You assess the value of a keyword based on it's search volume using phrase and/or exact match. You can also look at Google's ad competition and estimated CPC to get some what of an indicator of a keywords commercial value. But that applies less to music as there are so few of us marketing music in this way.

As for getting the keyword in your title, if you are trying to rank for the keyword then it is very important. To clarify... The reason you build a mini site as apposed to just writing an article is typically because the keyword is a little tougher to rank for than the average long tail keyword, but easier to rank for than a valuable first tier keyword like "music downloads" or something.

If the word is really easy to rank for then you can just write an article for it and put it either on your own site, or on a web 2.0 site line EZA or blogger. If it's tougher than that, that is where the mini site comes in. But you would probably never rank with just a mini site for a huge term with a lot of competition.

For example, there are a lot of keywords out there that are local keywords for which the root is still competitive. For example "carpet cleaning Seattle". I'm making a hypothetical example here but because "carpet cleaning is sooooo competitive, you would never rank unless you were a huge powerhouse site. And if you just wrote an article it would be tough as well because the primary domains of your competition would likely be so much more targeted than something like EZA. However, if you built a whole site around the keyword "carpet cleaning Seattle", you would stand a much better chance because the entire site wold so clearly be targeting the keyword and would have all of the appropriate footprints, even if it was only 5 or 10 pages deep.

Does that answer your question?

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And an authority site takes that even further by trying to rank for not only your primary keyword but category keywords as well? And the benefit of the authority site is that you have much more content so you have more opportunities to rank for primary, secondary, and long tail keywords as well...right?

 

So, when would you want to do a mini site vs an authority site?  

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Yes, basically. An authority site is an "authority" because it is loaded with valuable content and is not something that some spammer can throw together. It's a trusted resource and leaves all of the usual footprints of an authority site ) low bounce rates, social activity, a lot of back links, a lot of content, etc).  It takes an authority site to rank for certain keywords. For example you would never rank for "credit cards" with some quickly thrown together site. Or "music downloads" for that matter.

However there are instances where you don't need an authority site but you do need more relevance, and a tad more authority, than just a simple article can offer. The local listings example I gave just above is a good example of that.

To relate that to music, (and this is just hypothetical), you might find that "acoustic guitar music" was a bit stiff and that by writing an article and adding it to your site or to a site like EZA doesn't quite cut it and you are not getting the ranking you hoped for. By buying a domain that was acousticguitarmusic.com and structuring the site to have all the appropriate title tags etc, you might find that this extra relevance takes you over the top and gets you the ranking you need. You can create a mini site in a day where as an authority site can take months or even years.

The other reason you might consider a mini site is because maybe you just want to test something without investing a ton of time. You could create a highly relevant mini site around a semi long tail keyword group and see how the traffic converted for you. If it did well you could then scale that up into a network of mini sites and/or an authority site.

There is no right or wrong way here. Just dueling strategies. Mini sites were much more popular a few years back but they still have there place.

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The other thing to add is that since an authority site takes much more of a commitment to create and is more of a long term strategy - you really have to be honest with yourself on whether you can handle working on it day in and out for months or years on end.

On paper, building an authority site might make a lot of sense, but if you detest the topic chances are you'll abandon your quest long before you see any sort of return for your time and efforts. In a perfect world, your authority site would not only have some commercial potential - but your interest as well.

The alternative is to go with a 'publisher' model where you recruit others to create the content while you manage the site itself...

March 7, 2012
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Hi John,

 

Yes my confusion is that when I search the phrase "Hip hop downloads" in google's keyword tool it is a highly searched, low competition phrase but then when it's in In Title it's highly competitive (by the way the #s you got are different because I was using hip hop downloads as an example but siting #s for a different search. Sorry for the confusion.)

 

In any event the issue is the same. I'm confused as to how to assess keyword value and competition when the phrase appears as low competition highly searched in the keyword tool but highly competitive in In Title.

 

Also wondering why mini sites are less popular now. Do the search engines discourage them?

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March 7, 2012
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Ps picking up on mike's comment, what's the most effective strategy that is content driven and requires the least amount of data analysis? A lot of this stuff makes my head spin, but I definitely appreciate the value of it. I also see how, given the cool stuff I've gotten to do and people I've worked with as an artist as well as the niche my current music is in, I could really benefit from applying what you're teaching us!  

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Hey Julianna,

I think it was addressed in another thread but for anyone else reading, I think you were looking at the advertiser competition. Not the total number of sites when the keyword is searched in quotes. It is the latter that you want to do to analyze competition.

If you need a simpler strategy, what I would recommend is picking 1 single keyword that has at least 500 searches per day (15,000 per month) when you analyze in "phrase". Then make a list of every related term you can (not just hip hop music, hip hop download, hip hop lyrics, but RELATED terms as well such as gangster rap, rhythm and blues, etc), and start writing articles for each term regardless of competition. As long as you are creating good content, your site is reasonably structured with related terms and you are building links as outlined in the SEO training module, you should do pretty well. It's better to get laser targeted but if you are finding this confusing then simplify and remember that it's all about good content and backlinks.

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Thanks John, I dove in and bought market samurai because I realize if I don't get clearer on this keyword thing that will ultimately get in the way of managing growth and outsourcing (once I know what the F*** I'm doing) Laugh

 

One thing I notice immediately is the ridiculously massive domain backlinks some of the sites I'd be competing with have. These are sites like Amazon, with sales pages of music in all genres.

 

What I'm wondering is, in terms of search engine ranking, does a content rich site devoted to a niche have a shot at out ranking amazon, even with it's hundreds of thousands of domain backlinks? Or is amazon unbeatable because of all their backlinks, even though their content is not substantive or devoted to the niche?

 

Many thanks!

Julianna

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Hi Julianna,

Yes, you can absolutely beat Amazon. I have on a number of occasions. If that wasn't the case then Amazon would be #1 for everything. But yes, the are a huge domain. Usually what you will see is that Amazon ranks for a product type phrase and that there are a lot of links to the home page but few to the ranking page. If you see a lot of links to the ranking page it becomes much tougher.

That is not to say that it's best when Amazon (or any other authority site) is not in the mix.

The "few links to the ranking page" example is a good example of the kind of thing a mini-site can often be used to beat. Just make sure you don't buy a domain with a trademark in it.

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Fascinating! I guess it's a matter of knowing how to interpret the numbers on that SEO competition matrix. I have the feeling I'm not quite using that tool the way it's designed yet. Filtering the keywords and looking up each keyword's competition is a slow process, but I'm making steps. Thanks John!!

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You might just spend a bit more time with the Market Samurai Tutorial videos. They explain everything pretty well. Once you have a handle on it, it should be really quick. I can get a read on something within a matter of minutes with MS, as compared to hours doing it manually. You'll get there.

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yes, will do, thanks! looks like they have an extensive collection on itunes...

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Cool, they have quote a few on their website as well.

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