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May 3, 2018
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Im targeting men and women in US and Canada or just english speaking countries in general around 30 ish and up. Their Interests would be guitar oriented music, self help type things, philosophy.

I think it would appeal to them because its a little more or deeper than straight pop but not over the top aggresive metal. Some call it melodic rock. It's introspective, and in a lot of ways, encourages moving on from ended relationships or loss by walking through what went wrong and moving forward.

 

I want you to know I really appreciate realness of this back and forth, John. I don't have many around me to help break it down like this.

It means the world!

Mike

May 3, 2018
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No problem Mike. That's what this forum is for 🙂

Lets pick one of those target audiences as they are pretty different, and then lets break that down into something specific. For example, instead of saying "guitar oriented music" say Steve Vai, or Jimi Hendrix, or whatever is actually the right example in your case. 

I think this is the start of our trouble. You are not saying anything specific enough because you are not envisioning a specific enough person. Guitar rock is vast, and so you are imagining a vast audience. We need to really break the person down. Lets start with what the top three artists would be in your ideal fan's favorite playlist.

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May 3, 2018
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Much appreciated!

Ok. For me Its definitely Joe Satriani , John Mayer and Richie Kotzen

May 4, 2018
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Sorry, I feel like this must be starting to feel like I'm messing with you. But I'm not... Those three guitar players are all quite different. Joe Satriani is an older metal guitar virtuoso who appeals to die hard guitar fans, John Mayer is a skilled Triple A guitar player whose songwriting and sex appeal is a big part of his draw, and Richie Kotzen is more of a metal player that appeals to fans of the old LA Strip bands. Which artist's fans will most likely respond to what you do? 

I break it down like this because you really need to do that in order to right good copy. You need to know exactly what conversation is taking place in the mind of your ideal fan. As I see it, the conversation that is taking place in the mind of the fans of each of those artists is pretty different. 

In addition to the age, what else can you say about your ideal fan?

This is a bit of an old lesson, but it might help to watch it before going on to the next step: https://www.mmmanifesto.com/in.....ideal-fan/

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May 4, 2018
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I know you're not, lol, Because I come face to face with this A LOT. And I appreciate the interest in helping me break it all down.

If I may, aside from those 3 .. I've gotten Ian Moore, Bon Jovi even Peter Frampton... It's part of the reason why I get stuck when it comes to what the music might offer or for marketing myself. I know that sounds cliche but you can probably see why now.

I mean, I sing lead and play lead guitar. I don't write over the top acrobatic guitar songs but I do play a little more than the average minor pentatonic lick in my bridges or solos for that matter. It's one of the main reasons I play if I'm to be honest. I write in a pop structure for the most part and have a few acoustic pieces. I've been told I have a great voice so the thread between those, to me, is primarily singer guitar player. I don't know why I felt the need to share all that.. but there it is.. lol

So I suppose fans of Kotzen's latest material (both solo and "winery dogs") might respond best to my stuff out of the 3 I stressed in the previous reply. I could even replace John Mayer with Ian Moore to be a little more specific.

What else about my ideal fan?...Most likely a casual dresser, single, socially informed, musically picky and somewhat musically inclined

just in case here's a recent lyric vid

Hearts and Minds

I trust your experience and really appreciate your help and thoughts with this, John.
Sincerely
Mike

May 8, 2018
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Hey Mike, sorry for the gap in replying, I was off for the weekend.

In my opinion musicians make it a bit more complex then it needs to be. I think you are seeing all of those things in yourself because you know they are there. But when you take a simple song and listen to it (as an outsider) it's pretty simple to breakdown. That doesn't mean that my breakdown would be identical to another person's breakdown, but it would still be a perspective on who you are as a brand/sound. And chances are that millions of other people would see it the same way if given a chance. 

When I listen to the video you shared, I don't hear many of the influences you mentioned. While you sound like a skilled guitar player, the guitar takes a back seat to the songs. That is not the case with the guitar forward influences you mentioned. When you listen to them it's all about the guitar. When I listen to the song you posted it's much more about the song. If you want to go after the guitar audience you would want to use a much more guitar forward track (in my opinion).

When I personally listen to that track I hear a sort of modern Rick Springfield or even a heavier Richard Marx. Or to be more modern, maybe a less power punk All American rejects. But that's off of 30 seconds and one song so take that with a grain of salt.

I'm guessing you have a lot of different sides. That's totally fine. But I would pick the dominate side, and the side that is reflected in the top one or two songs that new fans will first be exposed to and then distill that into it's simplest parts. 

Ask yourself, who does this track sound like? Then ask yourself what the fans of those artists are like. Then distill your brand into just those aspects of your music and personality that align with the brand. Then craft a headline that broadcasts those qualities in the form of an experience.

But just to keep things on track... what song or two do you want to lead with and what artists do you think that track is most similar too? If you are unsure, feel free to post here and I/we can offer opinions.

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May 8, 2018
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No worries, John. Weekends are well deserved.

You're right it's almost to easy to complicate the whole thing when it should be very simple.

Ya know, it's uncanny. I was having the conversation with my drummer while brainstorming over the weekend and we came to the same conclusion. That the "guitar", on the whole of it, actually takes a back seat to the songs themselves. I simply attributed too much to that aspect from feedback about the guitar playing I suppose, and since its how I record etc. But it kinda dawned on me after discussing it. So I'm right with you on your perspective too. Thank you!

You're right I have a few sides and the freedom to do them is exciting to me, but I suppose I can break those into diff campaigns too. But It makes sense how that can confuse a new listener.

So this is a positive but its made me rethink what I want to lead with in terms of the "first impression", so to speak.
I do have a hard time pinning down who the tracks sound like so an opinion on them would be very helpful at this point. Know that I'm very appreciative of the feedback and your time - not to mention the guidance!

The first is an "April release" lyric vid to my patreon

1. New Ground

The 2nd hasn't been put to vid so it's sound cloud audio 

2. The Embers 

Thanks in advance

Sincerely, 

Mike

May 10, 2018
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Based on those two tracks I see your sounds as in the same ballpark as artists like Pete Yorn, Dave Mathews, and John Mayer. It's not a dead ringer for any of those, and there are probably more contemporary references that you could dig up with the audience insights tool, but those are the artists to came to mind for me as good targeting options to at least start with.

If you agree with that, I would start making a list of what those artists have in common and then try and really narrow down the target audience for all of those qualities. Then (going back to the first exercise), ask yourself how you would get the attention of that ideal fan in a crowd. Distill that into a sentence and test it as a headline.

Not to over simplify it 🙂

Let me know if you have any questions.

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May 10, 2018
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Intuh-resting. I thought they were a little heavier so I would have never guessed Dave Matthews and I wasnt very familiar with Pete Yorn but i did some listening and can kinda hear it with his stuff and well John Mayer Id already mentioned him earlier..

I know you said they werent dead ringers but a theme about what they have in common seems to be, and i say this because i actually said it to someone a while back..lol.. Their songs really speak for you. Im not real sure if that's descriptive enough but I thought Id use something along the lines of These songs will speak for you... Or at least that line is speaking to me 🙂 

Your Thoughts?

 

Thanks, John! this back and forth is really helping a lot!

Mike

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See, I don't really listen to any of these artists but I still see a similarity. I also don't really intuitively know what "speaks for me" means. I'm not trying to be silly hear, but we need to assume that strangers will take things somewhat literally. Does "speaks for me" mean that they will order my food at a restaurant? Does it mean they will give speeches so I don't have to? I know that sounds sort of ridiculous, and I know that's not what you mean, but I'm trying to make the point that the words really have specific meanings. You are also trying to tap into an existing passion. That sentiment would only work if people were walking around thinking to themselves, I wish some musician would speak for me? You catch what I mean?

I compared you to those artists because I though they were mostly skilled guitarists with melodies and chord structures that were unique and challenging, yet still easy to listen to. The guitar tones were not overly overdriven, and the general sound sat somewhere between Americana and progressive rock. But again, that's just me.

If it was my job to write a headline for an artist like this I would try to get in the heads of fans of those artists and figure out what they liked about those artists and then speak to that, while also referencing some of those more tangible qualities and mixing in your own USP.

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I hope you celebrated a happy mother's day, John.

Gotcha... I could almost hear a song going "YES ID LIKE FRIES WITH THAT- YEEEEEEUH! 

So over the weekend, I studied some of the youtube comments for the artists you mentioned. It appeared that a lot of the fans seem to appreciate or expect a little more from their mainstream but not so far as in extreme overplaying per say. Just a general more than the usual...And your comment about chord progressions came to mind as that realization was happening, thank you for that...One JM fan even ref. "the songs are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get" which I thought was interesting and very perceptive.

When doing it it seems to complete the exercise. As if a fan was walking around saying "I wish I had more than the average mainstream choices" and strikes me as more literal also. 

So would you say I'm in the right ballpark when I say something like "If you're wanting a little more from your mainstream acts (or Get a little more) than your tried and true mainstream act... Something to that effect...

On some levels, it feels a bit bland still but not quite as sell-ee as my previous attempts. I'm really just making sure I'm focusing my energy in the right direction here. On that note feel free to be direct and redirect if I'm still missing the mark 🙂

 

Thanks for all you do, man!

Mike

May 15, 2018
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Hi Mike,

I think you're on the right track but haven't exactly nailed the headline here.

I'm not personally convinced that this is what fans of those artists actually respond to, but I am not a fan of those artists so your guess is as good as mine, and you've done some research so you could very well be right.

The sentiment you are focused on is fine, but I think the sentences could have more flare. I also don't think many people are consciously passionate of music because it's "mainstream".

If I was going to try and run a headline like you mentioned I might try something more like...

"If you're a fan of singer songwriters that think and play "outside of the box" such as Dave Mathews, John Mayer, and Pete Yorn... then Mike Conde is a must have for your collection."

I'm not saying that's amazing, it's just the first thing that came to mind, but you can see how it more directly speaks to the passion you outlined, and more consciously connects that passion to their interests. It also hints at what the fact that they need to do something next.

You might even try something like "Mike Conde's music is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are gonna get..."

I don't personally think that's an amazing headline, because it's unclear what that actually means, but because a fan said it about one of your target artists, and because you responded to it, there could be something subconscious at play there. It's worth trying anyway.

At the end of the day, all you can do is come up with a handful of options and then split test them using Dynamic Creative. Scarp what doesn't work and add new elements until you are where you need to be.

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Yes, I agree with you about the headlines needing work still. My main objective was to hone in on something and then spend some time making it work better. That being the "mainstream" sentiment. I'm more confident now knowing I'm heading down the right way with it. Though I might not use it outright it opens the door for improvement and is kind of like tether for me to work from etc. Yours as well. I will be tweaking for sure. This helps a lot!  

I may play with the box of chocolate one as well. It is very unclear... or I should start working on my polka versions...

 

Thanks again for your time and honesty, John. I'm really enjoying the insider circle and it's helping me  A LOT!

 

Mike

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Glad to hear it Mike and happy to help. The nice thing about Dynamic Creative is that it's very easy to quickly test a bunch of things and see what works and what doesn't. Once the rubber touches the road you'll have a much better sense of things. Keep us posted.

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