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Squeeze Page Vs. Traditional Website
June 9, 2011
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I just wanted to say John, you're totally right about the squeeze pages. I went from getting one subscriber a week (if I was lucky) to getting 10 - 20 each day just with that simple change. And numbers are climbing. Thanks for everything.

June 10, 2011
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Hey, my pleasure John.

 

It's funny how many musicians are resistant to the squeeze page. But as you stated, the results speak for themselves. Glad you're getting such great results.

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I think that you'll find the musicians who are most resistant to the squeeze page are the same ones who want every part of the "art" but non of the promotion.

I can certainly understand being resistant to change... especially when you've put a ton of effort into an really cool looking website.  But the numbers speak for themselves.  All you have to do is run a simple split test and you'll see that when you force someone to make a choice they will. 

That's really what you're going for.  Believe me, it doesn't matter how cool your website may be, you'll have only a few precious seconds to make your traffic pay-off in the form of subscribers.  Force them to make a choice.  If they leave, that's fine.  However, if you don't squeeze the contact info, they'll still leave, only you won't know they were ever there even if they loved your website.

It's also a good idea to put an opt-in box on your blog.  This is consider more of a "hybrid" squeeze because your blog's purpose is for news, content and relevant updates.  If your content is great, people will volunteer for follow-ups.  However, if you're paying for traffic, you want to "force" people to make a choice.

Getting subscribers becomes scientific and predictable if you cut out any other variables that may distract people.  Give them 2 choices, opt-in or leave.  You can't go wrong.

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June 10, 2011
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As always, great having you here Steve.

 

For anyone who is new here, check out Steve's sig link. He knows his stuff.

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June 11, 2011
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John Oszajca said:

As always, great having you here Steve.

 

For anyone who is new here, check out Steve's sig link. He knows his stuff.

Are you kidding me?  I'm doing a back-flip that a community of this scope... at this stage of the game... is starting to bubble-up.  Not a minute too soon.  Thanks for having me!

June 15, 2011
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I am wondering, should the squeeze-page be my frontpage?

What I mean is: do I put the squeeze-page at japjap.net to be my main website or in a folder japjap.net/free-download and direct traffic to this page for the squeeze-purpose...

 

If people already opted-in and want to visit your website you don't want them to see the squeeze-page again right?

 

Shouldn't there be a "Continue to the site" button to get around the page?

 

Would love some advice on this.

 

Cheers, Jasper

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Jap Jap,

 

The way that I have done this is to have my top level domain (www.yoursite.com) be a blog. However there is a an opt-in box there, but it is not a "forced" squeeze page.

If people have already opted in, feel free to send them to the top level domain for updates and such.

For cold traffic (especially if you are paying for it) send them to a page designated for "forced" squeeze (www.yoursite.com/freetrack   or something like that).

 

Run any cold traffic, free or paid, to the forced squeeze and return visitors to the blog.  Also any search engine traffic you receive will most likely (but not always) end up on your blog.  They can choose to opt in or you can use a keyword in some of your content as a link to your forced squeeze page.  The keyword method is good because people really interested in something related to the keyword will click and eventually end up on that squeeze page (plus it's good for overall site SEO).

Hope that isn't too confusing 🙂

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Jap Jap said:

I am wondering, should the squeeze-page be my frontpage?

What I mean is: do I put the squeeze-page at japjap.net to be my main website or in a folder japjap.net/free-download and direct traffic to this page for the squeeze-purpose...

 

If people already opted-in and want to visit your website you don't want them to see the squeeze-page again right?

 

Shouldn't there be a "Continue to the site" button to get around the page?

 

Would love some advice on this.

 

Cheers, Jasper

Hey Jasper,

 

Steve's advice is spot on. Only thing I personally do different is that I use two different domains. I send my cold traffic to a squeeze page and once they are on my list they never see the squeeze again. From there I send them to my blog where I build the relationship. This is the "official" site with all the bells and whistles. The reason I use two domains is because a certain number of people will always just remove the domain extension and just go to the top level domain, which will cut into the conversion rate. For $10 a year I think it's worth it. But you can definitely do it the way Steve suggested as well. That's how I do it for Music Marketing Manifesto. But for my music site I use the two domains.

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June 16, 2011
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Thanks for the advice on this guys! It's now pretty clear to me. So the only thing I should consider is getting another domain if I want this to be as solid as possible. For now I will start with a sub-page with forced squeeze and a tekstlink or small banner on my homepage with the free track incentive.

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June 16, 2011
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Any time, Jasper

 

If you are using wordpress for your top level blog, here's a post I made to help you get the opt-in form onto your sidebar.

/insider-circle/forum/web-design/simple-way-to-stuff-an-opt-in-box-on-your-blog

Just to clarify what I said that I do on my website ( I love John's suggestion btw):

You can put the optin form on the side bar with a call to action above it, but let's say for instance someone found your site on the search engine from the keyword "ambient electronica".  What you would do to help both with SEO and with subscribers is have have an article on your blog that is targeting that same keyword (if they found it in the search engine, you have already done that) but inside of the post, you would take an ocurrance of the keyword 'ambient electronica', and turn it into a link to your squeeze page.

This will help your squeeze page rank higher for that keyword, but also the two pages working in unison will help the site overall to rank for that keyword.

So if you get someone who finds your site from that keyword and they are really interested in ambient electronica, they wil likely see your link sticking out like a sore thumb in the middle of your article and click it to land on your squeeze page.

If they hit the back button for any reason, well they will still have the opportunity to sign up from the blog side bar.  Chances are though, if they have made it that far, they will sign up on your squeeze page.

Is that a little more cut n dry for you?

Also, you can still use this strategy with John's approach, however you will be linking the keyword to the other domain, where your squeeze page lives.

-Steve

June 17, 2011
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Got it, thanks!

At the moment I still have my regular website in HTML, but I did some other sites in wordpress. If I finish setting up my autoresponder series I will get back into creating a wordpress blog in stead of my current homepage. This way I can have more interaction, more engaging elements and probably better SEO aspects.

Coming together nicely now, my squeezepage is up at http://japjap.net/free-track-download, with only 1 thank you page telling the user to expect a download-link in their email. The confirmation-link is then linking directly to a .zip, so no confirmation page needed. It's a download and confirmation in 1, works pretty well! Then the first mail is sent directly giving more information on the track, further introduction etc.

1 technical aspect about the mails, maybe someone can answer this, maybe I will have to test it: is an image-header with my logo on top of the email advisable (for branding, recognition), or does this make it less of a personal message...?

@John: you send mails without any visuals, is this on purpose? I want my mails to look good, but hey... conversion rules 🙂

Thanks!

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My personal feeling is that plain text email is much more 'deliverable' so I use that instead of an image header.

I would think this is your call though.  With GetResponse (and probably Aweber) if you want a graphic header you have to create the message in both HTML and plain text anyway, just in case someone doesn't have html turned on in their email account.  In which case the plain text version will be served.

I'm anxious to hear John's thoughts on this too.

From my understanding, email sent from a 3rd party service (auto responder) is more likely to trip spam filters if there is HTML, Graphics, large MB count or all of the above than if it's just plain text.

Of course there are other spam filter trips like certain words in you subject line or message body.

Test it.  If your open rates drop, then it may be that your messages are tripping the spam filter.

Of course, if you have the foresight to tell your subscribers to "whitelist" your email address (on your confirm please page), you may not experience any of these problems, even with an image header.

Great question.

-Steve

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There is a function in Aweber that gives you a spam score. If it moves over 5 you shouldn't send your mail. With the header my email had a 1.3, I think that's pretty a pretty low score... It says "good" in a green area. I don't know if this is a trustworthy indication to go by though...

You say email sent from 3rd party services are more likely to trip spam-filters. What I got from 1 of John's videos is the opposite. He said if you choose Aweber (or another good service) they have a good reputation and you have more success of delivery. This confuses me a bit right now...

Anyway, I test-mailed the email with header-image both to my hotmail & gmail, and they both display the message correctly. (Gmail after clicking a message to "display images below" or "always display images from info@japjap.net")

I think the question that remains is: what does a header do with user-experience. Is it good to have an appealing recognisable visual style, or should the email look more simple to feel more like a personal message. I am just starting with no subscribers at all, so testing is hard right now. I'm aiming at the best possible start. 🙂

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Oh no, I totally agree... IF you have a good reliable autoresponder.  Aweber is top notch.  Getresponse and few others as well.  They all have high deliverability (mostly because they don't allow you to add contacts through the panel without a confirmation email being sent).

If the spam score is 'green', by all means, show off your style.

I don't think it takes away from the personal aspect of it.  Branding is not necessarily a bad thing.  My interpretation of when John says "Major Label Branding Approach" is that he means vs. Personal Branding Approach.

If you are connecting with subscribers on a personal level, you are taking a personal branding approach.  They are subscribing to Jasper's list (not so much Jasper's unapproachable, larger than life, band's list).

Be yourself, but don't be afraid to have style while you do it.

I'm sure John will chime in with some clarity on this for us.

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Hey Jasper,

 

   I don't know if this helps or not, but I have had similar questions with my mass Emails.

   For the past several years, I have done  all my mass emails through my web hosting company, Host Baby (an offshoot of CD Baby) They offer a great "all inclusive" website package designed primarily for musicians, and includes a sign up area and list management area for doing mass emails. The only problem is you can only send Emails in very boring and unprofessional looking plain text. I tried adding color to the background of some of the text, but it still looked pretty cheesy. I get emails from several other musicians, and many of thiers looked a lot more like a real newsletter, with some graphics, good use of color, etc. I have always thought that a professional looking Email conveyed a much better image than something just typed out on an old typewriter, and would make me think that if I went to see this artist, or bought thier CD, that I would be getting the real thing.

   I have heard that Host Baby is doing a massive upgrade to thier entire Email  management area, so I am kind of in a "wait and see" status right now, but I also have my new email list growing with Aweber. As I understand it, with Aweber you can build your email in Word (or any other similar program) ad any graphics, colors, text, etc that you choose, and then import it to Aweber and send it.

  I guess I am wandering a bit from the topic here, but in my opinion, I would rather see an interesting email with logo's and a few graphics, something that would be familiar each time it comes in, and that I would remember and recognize right away from past emails. The emails like this that I do get seem to get through my spam blockers just fine, and I have not had to put them in any kind of "allow" file

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Thanks again guys!

Now that I think about it, I actually haven't got many subscriptions on other musicians. Maybe a good idea for comparing styles. I'm working as an interactive designer, so my preference goes out to good-looking anytime!

Good to hear you have some examples of "designed" mails Greg. I think for now I will go with images etc. I was just wondering if John sent his blasts out without any styling on purpose...

@Greg more offtopic: I am always curious about other squeezepages so I tried to click your signature-link, but it's not a link. But, i know my way around copy-paste 🙂 I am wondering, you have this message above the sign-up form: "No place to enter your info? Just click on the yellow bar at the top of the page and select "Allow Blocked Content". Don't worry....this is a very secure site!" Can you tell me for what browser the Aweber form does not show up? Is this a conversion-dropper? I tested with firefox4 & IE8, no problems there...

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Jasper

 

One thing to note is whether you are on John's MMM list or his actual music follow-up list.  While the fundamentals of marketing online are just that, fundamentals, there are differences in marketing music and marketing information.

I subscribe to alot of info stuff and it's seldom that I see a graphic header, but I don't subscribe to alot of musicians follow up (because most don't have one).  Just a thought.

I wonder if Greg's 'not seeing blocked' content has to do with the use of javascripts in forms not being visible (or blocked) in Internet Explorer.

I have experienced that in the past when using the javascript version of GetResponse Forms.  I still like the old HTML forms.

 

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Hey guys,

 

Before I chime in, keep in mind, there are no wrong ways, only bad results. But I'll tell you what I know...

 

1. Yes, I definitely create my emails the way I do on purpose. Simply because the plain text emails perform better. While graphics may be appealing, they often create display problems and they also take the focus off of the important elements. Namely, the words. It is your copy that is going to get the conversion. Not usually the pictures... with some exceptions.

 

Many email providers, such as gmail, do not display the graphics until the user clicks a "show images" button (by the way, this doesn't happen when you send a test email to yourself). Many people never bother hitting that button (I'm one of them), and the graphic displays as white space, pushing down the text and killing the first few seconds of attention.

 

It's also a commonly accepted truth that images do hurt deliverability. I question this to an extent, but I stay away from it per the conventional wisdom.

 

I've also worked with a lot of affiliates and typically the people with the fancy news letters send me the least amount of visitors. The people who send personal looking emails with good copy send me the most. Even with direct response marketing in magazines. It is the ads that blend in to the articles that get the best response. A text email blends in to the typical email experience. Newsletter format typically equals an ad.

 

I'll bet that if you surveyed people and asked them what they liked better they would all say the fancy email with all the graphics. But if you tested the results, typically it would not pan out that way. At least in my experience.

 

A few exceptions are putting images within the copy of the email like a picture of a video. Tricks like this can get a lot of clicks. But formatting with headers and navigation typically does not perform as well as plain text. But do keep in mind that everyone's audience is different and sometimes you see flukes in the stats. You'll never really know until you split test (which you can do within Aweber).

 

2. I think there was some confusion going on there with the 3rd party server issue but I believe we are all saying the same thing. Sending out emails on your own server will get you TERRIBLE results. At least after you get a few spam complaints. Going with a big, whit listed company like Aweber, Get Response, and now Mail Chimp, will protect you as much as you can be protected.

 

I use Aweber and when I send out emails to my customer lists I get open rates of over 100% typically. So I know the emails are getting in the inboxes. By comparison, I worked with one affiliate who claimed to have hundreds of thousands of addresses managed on his own server. I got about 70 clicks. I have see this kind of thing a lot. The people who use one of those 3 that I mentioned send me traffic. the people who use the cheaper companies, never send me any traffic. Not to mention all the extra features the big companies have.

 

3. When I was talking about branding strategies, I meant something a bit different. A branding strategy is based on creating brand awareness to the point of affecting purchasing decisions. Meaning, i am in the record store and when I think to myself, what new music is out there that I want to buy, I suddenly remember your music video, radio single, or magazine review, and then choose to buy your album as a result.

 

I am teaching what is called "direct response marketing". No branding is necessary. Instead you are trying to manufacture the conditions necessary to get people to make a purchase. In other words you create a set of circumstances which get a direct and measurable response.

 

This is not to confuse branding with a "branding strategy". Creating a brand that people can lock into for yourself as an artist is also important. I view this more as developing your tribe and having all the elements in place so that your tribe can identify you as one of their own... but that is something different from what I was talking about.

 

Let me know if you guys need any further clarification on anything.

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Thanks John,

 

It's nice to see the words 'copywriting' and 'direct response' make their way into the forum.

Also, I hope I didn't seem to be putting words in your mouth regarding branding.

 

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Thanks Steve, and not at all.

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